think preface in the link states, "The chart ranks teams by overall age, from oldest to youngest" granted, that number was skewed by derrick mason and hes no longer on the squad, but were no where near the 7th youngest team in the league
there is only one reason to disagree with the Built to win now phrase, and thats if you arent good enough to win immediately. I believe that we are. Now you can also be in win long term mode. I firmly believe we are in both. we have a shot to win it all right now (if we get shit fixed along the OL and get the ground game going) and our window is anything but closed right now. With a few pieces to the defense and OL our team is built to win for a solid 3-5 years.
That's the problem with any winning team....we draft late, usually close to last. That means the 'game changers' are usually off the board, so Tanny's mission changes from 'getting game changers' to 'getting 7 guys who can contribute, with 2 or 3 hopefully starters'.
Yeah but Tanny changes that mission to getting ONE guy who definitely will contribute and then 3 or at most 4 other guys who are often JAG material. The Jets have averaged 4.6 picks a year since the big draft in 2006. Tanny spends a fair number of picks for veteran players that then drop out due to injury or leave as free agents. He trades up incessantly for people like Shonn Greene or Dustin Keller who would be fine if one pick was spent on them but are shaky value once they represent depth and talent expended to get them. Long-term this is just not sustainable. The Jets are going to crash and burn if these methods continue to be used, it's just a question of when.
two things, Keller is bad example because we traded down later to recoup the pick we used to trade up for DK. Then when you add in the fact the guy we drafted with the extra pick was Erik Ainge (a flame out) it counteracts your point that extra DP's is good. Only if you draft quality personnell are extra DP's worth it. If you are asking me if I would rather have a 5 man class with 1 superstar 2 jags and an above average starter and a flame out, or an 8 man class with 2 solid starters, 3 jags and 3 flameouts, i'm taking the first one every day of the week. Sustainability depends entirely on how good you are at it. If we bring in one future star every class (like we have been excluding the '10 class so far) and 1 other quality starter I think you can do it, as long as your other picks all contribute as JAGS. If you start missing on picks every year, you are in real trouble. Which is why the Ducasse fuckup hurts so much. If Ducasse ends up as a quality OL (somehow, someway) then we did it again with the '10 class with Conner and Wilson (essentially) already starters, and Ducasse as the non-Jag, with Mcknight as our ST spark plug. You can only sustain this method as long as you limit your misses to once every 2-3 years, or longer. Or you could draft like Bellicheck 12 man draft classes, where 2-3 guys contribute, but hey you always have the youngest roster ever because of it.
The "win-now" tag is one of several misconceptions about the Jets that boil down to one trick of perspective: people have trouble separating Rex's mouth from the Jets actions because Rex Ryan has entirely eclipsed and for all intents replaced the Jets brand - if there ever was such a thing. Quick game: think of five adjectives to describe Rex; now think of two adjectives to describe the NYJ before Rex. Sad, isn't it? Now as we know Rex is an entertainer and motivational speaker whose shtick is aimed at instilling in his players a level of self-confidence somewhere between "presumptuous" and "Napoleonic". From there it's just one fuzzy-logic hop to the assumption that the Jets as a team and an organization must be fun, crazy, over-the-top, full of crap, all-in, win-now, favorites to win the SB, etc. As for the strategy we've followed in reality, it is by no means win-now. Our best chance was in 09 and we started Sanchez to avoid paying a second QB's salary. We've built a core of players through the draft, signed them long-term, and over the last 2 years have been trying to supplement them with a strategy of more-or-less risky try-outs: signing a bunch of talented meat-head FAs and drafting players with upside from small schools, while trying to coach up a platoon of UFAs on defense. We'll see how this works out.
Belichik is a bad example because he really isn't a good judge of college talent. Bobby Grier and Scott Pioli were the guys who brought the Patriots talent up to snuff. Bill Parcells was also a poor evaluator of college talent when he had the GM responsibilities alongside the coaching ones. Both Belichik and Parcells did well with veteran additions but poorly in the draft. If Scott Pioli was still running the Patriots draft the talent wouldn't have dried up to the Brady Bunch at this point. That entire team functions off of a QB, a slot receiver and a few tight ends. Belichik, BTW, is like a serial drafter of TE's. He spends high picks on them every other draft trying to maintain that position as high quality.
Ummm? Right now the Jets are on the outside looking in. As of this writing, it is actually impossible for them to "back into" the playoffs.
on the contrary. He's the perfect example for just that reason. My point is that it doesn't matter how you draft if your talent evaluation sucks. If you have 15 draft picks and can't evaluate talent, you end up with 3 jags and no long term talent. Wanna know why the Pats defense blows? because they suck at drafting. Why is their depth even worse than ours (defensively) because they suck at drafting. They don't have the excuse of we only had 5 dp's either. The original point you made is that what we do draft wise can't be sustained without destroying the long-term prospects of the team. Well just because you go the other way, doesn't mean you are guaranteed success. I know you won't, because you see it as well as I do, but somebody will point it out. Yes the Pats are winning, but it isn't because of their draft picks. The only 3 major contributing draft picks they have on their roster the last 5 years are Jerod Mayo, Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. Since we have established the other way doesn't always work, why not keep doing it our way, since it has been working? the most important part about the draft is that you hit on your picks, regardless of whether you have 3 picks or 30. Tanny may have fewer picks, but he rarely misses. If he and Joey Clinkscales and the rest of the scouting department continue their kickass evaluation process and determine they would be happy to come away with the 4 guys on their board, then I'm pretty happy we got those 4 guys. Their is nothing about this franchise that's conventional, so why should the draft formula be any different? All of that said, I am dying to see the Jets trade down and acquire extra picks in a draft filled with talent at areas we desperately need it. All of that said, if Tanny makes a big time move up for a WR or pass rushing demon of the future, then you won't see me complaining too much.
We had to win out to make the playoffs in '09 and still got accused of "backing in." The popular narrative usually has nothing to do with reality. That's just how it goes for New York teams.
Yeah I agree. Unless Pouha is wiling to take a discounted 2-3 year deal,he's gonna be a guy we'll have to pass on. Ellis has displayed fantastic potential and MTV seems like a good back-up type. Like you said, signing Pouha long term has 2003 offseason (IE Re-signing Jones,Chrebet, Cmart, & Lewis to excessively long deals which the team is finally starting to get off the books) written all over it.
Sanchez is garbage we need a better qb in order to win the super bowl. Everyone thinks its the people around sanchez that screw us ober but it really is sanchez who is the problem n we need to either draft a qb in the draft late or trade sanchez for a veteran like peyton manning so this team that can win superbowls will finally do so
Very good point. If you want my honest assessment, I think the Jets really DO have a very talented roster when you look at them top to bottom. They have a few glaring holes(Safety,pass rusher,athetlicism at lihnebacker) but overall this is a team with vastly above average talent with a healthy mixture of youth,players entering their prime(locked up long term, mind you) & some veterans. Tannenbaum's formula works..and I think the future is bright. Why hasn't it worked yet? Well for one..It's HARD to win a super bowl. The best executives in the league maintain that all you can do is get your team to the playoffs and once there you just hope for the best. Now I don't think this year's team is making the playoffs. I think the inner conference losses are going to come back and bite em. Still though, this looks like a team that will be playoff contenders for a long long time. Which is why I've been calling this a "transition year" since late October. Team had a ton of turnover, and in the process lost their ability to be consistent. I believe they'll get that back as younger players like Wilson,Conner,Wilkerson,Ellis,Westerman & others continue to develop. If Tannenbaum can fill the few glaring holes this offseason...I think next year's team truly WILL give the Patriots a run for the AFC east. Sometimes you have to take one step back, to take 2 steps forward.
