A blind caller just called into the Michael Kay show to complain about Schottenheimer's play calling, calling it predictable.:shit:
Look, I generally respect your posts, but I think maybe you sometimes need to edit what you post before you hit the submit button. I know you are talking in part about me, but I have certainly not said Schotty does not SHARE in the blame. Here is where Schotty is clearly to blame - the team is not playing as well as they should be on O, or more to the point where we as fans would have a legitimate expectation, based on the assemblage of draft picks and free agents, past performances on the latter, that sort of thing, have a right to expect them to be. The Jets right now are not there. Let's talk a bit about execution, and I am sure we can at least agree in part here - coaches are there in part to help train the players in both the system and in taking advantage of the skills they have in a way that will better serve the team's goals. Now you can have a player here and a player there who fall short of what they could have done, on paper, and not blame the CS, which includes the OC. But I would agree there's just been too many underperformers on the Jets. Too many to say it's just the luck of the draw. I talk about this because I don't think you can do all of serve up a game plan and playcalling that fits with Ryan's overall strategy and fits with the limitations of the players while also being both suprising to the opponent going into the game and adjutable during the course of the game if there is some imbalance between the strategy and the personnel. I have a concern that is the basis of the problem we are seeing. But Schotty is at least partly responsible for who the players are that the Jets have, and he's even more responsible to coach them to deal with their limitations, and help them improve. THAT is where he's responsible, not playcalling so much. I don't think he's too conservative or too clever - he's been adamentally accused of both here by posters who both think they agree he sucks. I also can't separate out the so-called predictability of the team from whether it is based on limitations and tendencies of the players distinct from what the OC is calling. Imo no one here has made a convincing case it is the latter. And we also have to acknowledge that a lack of player development and poor fits on personnel is a responsibility that the OC has, but that he quite clearly shares with others. So yeah, fire his ass, who cares to defend him at this point? At a minimum I get to see what happens next. But anyone who thinks some other nameless person, anybody but Schotty, will come in and fix all that ails this team's O is going to be very disappointed, I predict. PS - bipolar is not the same as binary.
Totally agree. It did not occur last night very often. Getting the players to play to their capability will only fix a portion of the problem. To be a winner you need schemes that play to the other team weaknessses. We don't have that vision and the coach can not adjust on the fly. For that we need someone other than Shotty. Bad news is it will not happen this season. I wonder what Rex can do to mitigate this problem.
//Big Blocker 1. I didn't really have you in mind when I was writing up the above post - hell, you don't even belong to the blind SDF camp by definition. lol 2. I did say something in line of the predictability, but I rarely blamed Schottenheimer for that, if you remember. I know it comes with the territory; Sid Gillman offense is, indeed, a daring offense, where the offense lets the defense know the intention, and dares them to stop. After that, it's all execution. (Funny, I didn't think I would say this.) I even defended that predictability notion in one of other posting in fact; it's the passing play designs that I mostly have gripes with frankly speaking. With the run game, the blame should be shared with Callahan, as the OL is responsible for half of the production. 3. You and I are in agreement with where Schottenheimer is at fault: obviously the weekly practices does not really iron out the inconsistencies along the execution. That one is on Schottenheimer for sure. On top of that, it doesn't seem like Schottenheimer is maximizing what Jets offense has; instead it's been years of exposing the weakness his offense crew had. That one should be also on Schottenheimer. 4. In smashmouth football (I don't even know if I can classify Jets offense as one), field position is of utmost importance - and Jets got plenty of real good ones. If the offense [consistently]fails to produce even with the good field position, (that's the key word here.) then I don't know where the blame should go to other than the offensive coordinator. 5. I also respect your postings in general. (So the respect is mutual, I guess?)
keep shotty, imo he's a very good young OC limited by his QB and a young OL. fire sanchez. (never a fan)imo to inconsistence always looks slow and out of time. and i dont know what to do with this o-line, (maybe a cattle prod) but what did any of us expect with the changes this team has had in the last two years. i think the front office made some Bad moves this past offseason. and anyone who says we're a better team this year over last is wrong. sanchez did'ent take the team to the afc championship the team took him.:jets:
Zach, I guess our main point of divergence is more a point of emphasis. I tend to focus more on that I think the blame is shared with all who are responsible for the fitting together of what is an ineffective match among Ryan's stated goals for the team, the choice of players and the execution by those players. Where we agree is it is simple minded to merely blame playcalling for being predictable, as it is merely wrong to attempt to make a case that an OC's game scheme is too conservative and too cute at the same time. But without question I blame Schotty for his shared role here, and at this point agree there is reason to make a change. Perhaps the right person at a minimum could bring a fresh assessment to the O, and help bring the overall strategy and the players chosen into better balance. Maybe even do a better coaching job on the execution part - that last one is something I am very willing to try at this point. It;s like the essential point of that thread about taking two first rounders right now for Sanchez. The reason you don't pull that trigger is not so much that Sanchez has PROVEN he's the franchise Qb for the next 8 or even 10 years or more. It's that the team has too much invested in him without being near a decision that he's not going to pan out, that keeping him is like throwing good money after bad. The Jets are not near that point with him. So when people rightly point out that the combo of Schotty and Sanchez is not working, it's a simple fact that it's easier at this point to replace Schotty. But... That doesn't mean necesarily that anyone else is going to come in here and make Sanchez a significantly better Qb. Same for Greene. And for the other underperforming players on O. Ftr I would agree I am ont blindly loyal to Schotty. Heh! But I do think the real problem I and others have here, and one you have no doubt noticed among too many Schotty haters, is with the argument that Schotty is at the bottom of ALL problems with the O. We need to be realistic.
And herein lies the problem. What you just said is pretty much a microcosm of Schotty's failures as a playcaller. Let's pretend that that play was well-executed and did indeed work in practice. Schotty decides to dial it up on a 3rd Down? On 3rd & 3 when the score was only 7-3? THAT is how you matriculate down the field, get the Offense in rhythm, generate First Downs? While that HB-pass was one of the more egregious calls Schotty has made - especially on 3rd Down - this has been a prevalent theme among his incompetence.
Rewatching the game. Schitty calls a half back pass to the QB on 3rd and 4. Didn't realize yesterday it was 3rd down (I was so pissed I had to leave the room to cool off). The genius calls a trick pass play on an obvious passing down. Got to love it.
The bigger issue is that it was on their own 39, and they were not winning by 14 points. You don't call gay trick plays like those in your own territory, on 3rd down, and you're trying to throw it back to your QB. I don't get that play, and I wish to never see it again unless the Jets are up by 31 with 3 minutes left to play.
Its beyond frustrating. There were good play calls - the crossing route to Kerley I loved, the play to Tone (even if it wasn't a TD). And then you get the most inexcusable decision I've seen all season. Fucking hell.
That was one of the worst playcalls I have ever seen on either the DI college level or the NFL EVER. It might very well be the worst playcall I have ever seen.
This is a joke right? Young OL? Brick and Mangold are in their sixth season. Wayne Hunter and Brandon Moore are in their 9th or 10th seasons. How is the OL young? Sanchez is in his 3rd year... wtf are you talking about?
