You are 2-2...Just win next week and after that you guys will rape us so its 4-2... I would say my team at 0-4 is in chaos...
Let Revis do the job on Welker (I mean he's NOT going to have three 150+ games in a row, especially with the way Brady spreads it around), but then Brady will just find his other receivers and TE's. Well Hernandez has been hurt but Gronk will be a problem. Especially considering we couldn't stop the immortal Ed Dickson last night.
I don't think the record (2-2) is alarming anyone. What's alarming is the caliber of play we're seeing within this 2-2 record. It ain't good. So yeah, that's why most on this board are not going to "calm down" so easily. It's starting to look like a downward spiral trend.
I don't necessarily think that the Jets' problems are only on one side of the ball, but I do think that the offense is a bigger problem than the defense at this point. I also think that the problems with the OL is simply the canary in the mine. Your offense looks to be in such a mess that I think the problem has to stem from coaching. The Jets can't pass well and they can't run well -- and that's getting worse. An OL with a couple of Pro Bowlers on it can't effectively protect the QB -- and this was happening last season and this season before Mangold's injury. The team has to settle for FGs rather than getting TDs. It relies on a short passing game that invites DCs to put 8 in the box to stop both the short passes and the run. Even players are saying it's predictable. The plain fact is that the Jets are running a crappy offensive scheme that magnifies every deficiency and makes offensive success difficult if not impossible. The problem is squarely on Schottenheimer -- and on Ryan for supporting this -- or maybe even dictating it. This is 2011 and "ground and pound" just doesn't work in the modern NFL. A team has to be ready, willing and able to stretch the field frequently. If it can't, that shortcoming will bite them in the butt eventually. It looks like that's happened to the Jets: defenses have figured out that the Jets can't or won't play a "modern" offense, and they're taking advantage of it. The Bills suffered through 3+ seasons of this kind of offensive offense under Dick Jauron. The Jets offense looks pretty much like those awful Bills offenses. I think this is going to be a long, frustrating, painful season for the Jets and their fans.
Exactly. I really don't get how anyone can feel good about this team's chances of winning the Super Bowl right now. We get it. It's 4 games. It's possible the Jets never lose another game for the rest of the season, playoffs, etc. But the way this teams looks, that's a tough fantasy to believe.
I actually agree with this thread. The major problems are only on the offensive side of the ball IMO. The defense despite 2 shaky games, is 8th in the league, and 2nd against the pass. Despite not getting to the QB enough (our concern every year) we've been fine. I can't think of a single thing that's impressed me about this offense. Last nights game plummeted Sanchez stats. His numbers now look remarkably similar to last years aka no improvement.
The Jets have already won 2 games. There are a couple teams that look like 2-14 or 1-15 squads. In other words, the Jets have already won too many games to land the #1 pick. Besides, the wheels will not completely fall off to the point where the Jets are worse than 5-11. I mean, even if Sanchez suffers a catatrosphic injury next week and Brunell has to play the rest of the season, the team will still find a way to at least get to 5-11. Right?
There was always the chance that the Jets depth would come back and bite them if a really valuable player went down. It's one of the likely outcomes if you ignore depth over an extended period of time. I still don't think Sanchez is the issue here at this point. He may become one of the major issues if the Jets become too unstable to continue developing him as a QB but it's hard to see where he makes the errors he has made this year if the pressure on the field was not just at ridiculous levels.
I know we bitch, but how often does a team have a 7th and 8th OLmen that can step in and not get his ass kicked for a while until he starts doing well? Ducasse and Baxter are those 2 guys. Baxter is marginal at his very best for a UDFA rookie who came here in week 2 of the preseason. The criticism should be the "wait and see" approach of Turner's injury. That's where the CS/FO really fucked up. And Ducasse will have next preseason to either get it or get out. I'm still giving him that one preseason. I gave Gholston 3 years, this kid gets the same.
The traditional adage that every drafted player gets three years until you can finally give them a grade.
Not first round players. First round players on the defensive side need to play extensively their first year or they're busts. It's a rarity when a player successfully changes positions, like Bryan Thomas did, and becomes a plus player. Once Gholston could not get on the field as a rookie the odds were very high that he was a bust. Similarly early round offensive linemen should be on the field year one. They're not developmental at all, they're assets to be integrated into the unit right away. If Ducasse was a first round player there'd be almost no doubt that he was a bust after his performance last year. Even as a second round player the odds are very high that he's a bust at this point. The developmental players on defense and on the offensive line and at runningback get taken in the 5th, 6th and 7th rounds. Guys taken earlier than that need to prove they belong on the field in at least a supporting role year one or they're really not much use to a team long-term. QB's, WR's, TE's and to some extent safeties are often redshirted for a year to get their feet on the ground. This is because they'll get eaten alive by experienced players opposite them and there's nobody right there to help them out when they make the mistakes. Really safeties taken in the first couple of rounds need to play year one but every once in awhile one who turns out to be good sits a lot his rookie year.
It's generally a very good rule for evaluating QBs and WRs. However, for supposed pass rushers like Gholston and guards like Ducasse who went early in drafts, they have to show something early. Gholston was a zero for three years and Ducasse has been a zero for 1 & 1/4 seasons. Neither of them ever flashed anything. Very often we will see early round picks flash true NFL ability. Look at Jason Babin. He was considered a bust by many people, but he did flash NFL ability in his first couple seasons. That type of player will stick around in the league and sometimes will become very good. Guys like Gholston and Ducasse will just simply be out of the league after a few seasons.
