So Coles and Cotchery > Braylon Santonio, or Plax Santonio? (not to mention mason 2011 and cotch from 2010) would you rather have Sanchez playing with his current guys or the 08 ones? I think the answer is clear that we have better weapons now.
No one touches Tom Brady. What games do you watch? That man has the great wall of china for an offensive line.
Favre is a legend. The RBs then were better than what we have now. The WRs were worse then. The OL was a mauling machine in 08. Ferguson and Mangold were young but we still had Faneca near the pinnacle of his career, unheralded Moore, and younger/more agile Woody. Actually that line was so good, it may be unfair to call this group of RBs worse when you consider how bad our line is right now. But, TJ was running for 1300 yards+ on average for us his 3 years here I don't see Greene doing that anytime soon. LT and Leon are probably equal at these respective points in their careers we're talking about. Just remember when evaluating anything about football that is begins in the trenches. I'm not anywhere close to a football mind. I just know that's where you start.
Super bowl winning QB's since 1992: Sanchez is probably better than Trent Dilfer when he doesn't give the other team 21 points, the other 18 teams had better QB's.
I swear, I figured these boards were going to be stupid, I did not realize it was this dumb. Are some of you that are so doom-N-gloom right now even considering the fact that this is really the first time Sanchez is having to deal with a OL that is playing average at best. The first two years he had it made here with a great OL, now he is struggling because that safety net has been taken from him. The timing is horrible to take the leash off of Sanchez, given our OL status, but growing pains do happen in the NFL. It is just the first weeks of the season, it will get turned around. Just look at the way the Chargers usually start off their season's. They have looked just as bad as us, but turned it around to be a true force throughout the season. It is possible.
Pure Idiocy. We just watched one of the worst exhibitions of OL play in Jets history and people question Sanchez' ability to win games? Sanchez has been the Jets offense this year. There is no running game. Sanchez won four games for the Jets last year with late game or OT drives. Sanchez has won 4 of 6 playoff games on the road with the Jets as prohibitive underdogs in each game and has played great in all of those games. Sanchez has NOT gone along for the ride in the playoff runs of the past two years. He has been driving the bus. He has yet to have a bad playoff game. You can cry about games in October when the QB is playing behind a patchwork OL that stunk up the stadium. I want a QB that wins in January, and the Jets have that guy. Take a look at Sanchez' playoff game stats and tell me how he went along for the ride. If the the Jets defense shows up in the first half against Pittsburgh and the second half against Indy, the Jets would have been a SB team the past two years. And anybody that thinks Brady gets hit more than Sanchez needs an eye exam and a brain transplant. Brady hardly get touched and has all the time in the world to throw. When he is rushed, such as in the playoffs against the Giants, Ravens and Jets, he gets rattled, gets the deer in the headlights look in his eyes and makes the same mistakes as tonight's whipping boy - Sanchez. In fact, every QB in the league stinks under constant pressure. How has Big Ben performed this year with his crap OL? Give me a break. No QB in the NFL could have performed in front of the Jets OL tonight. Even Ferguson stunk tonight. And if Cutler were a Jet tonight, he would have begged out of the game by halftime. By the way - how many late season and playoff wins does Cutler have? When has he lifted a team on his shoulders??? This is one of the worst threads in TGG history. And by the way, the Jets offense in the last five games of the season of 2008 under Favre was pitiful. And don't hand me this bicep crap. Favre padded his stats as a Jet \QB with 2 very good games against Arizona and NE. Favre was a disaster as a Jets QB. Pennington had a better year in Miami after the Jets cast him aside for that selfish washed up old man.
Yes! and my rent pays it self. What planet do you live on, I wan't to come. You tell me how its going to get "turned around" with the shit pile of players we have... please I would love to hear this.
Brilliant. You can tell this by watching McElroy play about 6 quarters of preseason football. By the way, McElroy's arm makes Pennington's look a cannon.
Manning and Roethlisberger played worse than Sanchez has in most of his playoff games in one of each of their respective Superbowl wins. I just started watching football in 2000/2001 but was Brad Johnson really that good? I seem to remember a heavy dose of Derrick Brooks, Warren Sapp, and a CB MVP named Dexter something-or-other. Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Eli on a Brad Johnson level? Rodgers is unbelievable, but that team is really complete. Also, how many times did Elway lose before he had a complete team around him? Brady hasn't won't since the show was all about him. So yes, usually you need good to great quarterback play. But when you have a D like ours that forces good things for the offense, we should win a lot of games. You should know, the Texans finally have a defense and they aren't meandering around .500 (for the time being) like they usually are.
Sanchez poor play is because of a poor offensive line. With that said Sanchez is limiting this teams true potential on offense.
Since the 2007 season, only one QB has more playoff wins than Sanchez - Big Ben. But the Jets are limited with him, even when you consider that he has yet to play a playoff game at home. And Flacco must be total crap - the worst QB in the NFL, because he had time, a lead, and a semblance of a running game tonight and he went over half the game without completing a pass and threw a pick 6 and fumbled in that stretch.
Do you really think there is some magic "wins in the playoffs" trait for QBs? Brady has actually gone from the unbeatable not flashy but clutch game manager to somewhat of a choker in the playoffs even as his regular season performance has soared. The Jets were fortunate to get the best games out of Sanchez in the post season, but they still didn't go to the Super Bowl. The problem they're running into now is that even if Sanchez is a great "clutch" player his baseline performance is so low that they're going to have problems reaching the post season going forward.
You need to put yourself in bed, clearly you do not think very well when dealing with a certain amount of stress. Shit pile of players? Ooooooookay. I'm thinking since Mangold is out with an ankle sprain, nothing that will keep him out for a full season, he will make a huge difference for this offense when they get him back. You don't seem to understand how the loss of Mangold is hindering this offense. Mangold is the anchor of that line, the brain. Our run game will become better over the course of the season. The most important factor in having Mangold back is the comfort zone for Sanchez. Sanchez has been so uncomfortable the last two games with Mangold out, it is very obvious. Our passing attack will get back on track with Mangold on that line. You're welcome.
But if your trademark is defense, you need a QB who DOESN'T give the other team the ball. (Trent Dilfer) All the other QBs listed are better than Sanchez.
The point is that Sanchez has only showed that he is a clutch performer in the big light. He has not failed at doing so. This does not mean that it will never happen, but it does show that he has proven to be a big time winner. His "baseline performance" is only so low because of the horrible line in front of him right night. Specifically at the center postion with, Baxter. He hardly had any time to take his 3-4 step drop, let alone think.
