Mark Sanchez vs Josh Freeman

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  1. Calikid

    Calikid New Member

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    You make a point. That said, I think it's way to early to call Sanchez a big game QB based on two playoff seasons. If this really who Sanchez is, then I'd say he's a Hall of Fame QB.
     
  2. NDmick

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    If it was one season, its easy to say its a fluke. But rookie and sophomore postseasons that look that good? You have no choice but to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    I will say this though - if the OL issues continue this season, and they make the playoffs anyway, then they could very well be one and done with the box score making it look like Sanchez's fault, which will make perception reality when in fact the OL and running game couldn't do shit and he's running for his life.

    The kid can play in big games. Its happened too many times to be even remotely flukish
     
  3. Calikid

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    Yeah, a good running game and OL go a long way. The season is very young and I think the Jets will again be one of the top teams.
     
  4. Rockefella

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    But dude he had a bad completion percentage and great D he sucks
     
  5. NDmick

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    shit I forgot that nothing he does well is him, its everyone else around him.
     
  6. DisgruntledLionFan

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    Stafford has the obvious edge in physical attributes over Sanchez, but I think the thing that separates them is football IQ and trust by their respective staffs.

    Stafford has full command of the offense and the trust of his OC. It helps that he was given some the same type of capabilities by Richt down in Georgia. It also seems to come natural to him as he rarely looks flustered or confused on game day.

    I don't know if it's something lacking in Sanchez himself or that it's a trust issue with Schottey but they seem to be at odds more times than not. Maybe it's a bit of both but until they iron those things out, new OC or Sanchez growing as a player, I don't believe Sanchez will come close to matching his production to his talent level.

    Sanchez just never truly looks comfortable a majority of the time.

    I think giving him a little more freedom will do wonders for him mentally.
     
  7. Coach K

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    this is the frustrating issue watching his development. theres not really a happy medium for Sanchez yet.

    hes extremely hot/cold. yet has shown a tendency to make big plays when it matters most.

    Also, he seems to be at his best in no huddle, and 2 minute offense type of playcalling.

    Some people want to give all that credit to Sanchez or all blame to Schotty. I think actually Schotty overthinks his gameplans, and seems to call plays that finally puts guys in the right position when forced to react and not think.

    This also goes hand in hand with Sanchez making plays when it matters most and when Schotty is forced to take shots and take the handcuffs off Sanchez.

    Things Schotty critics wont tell you is that the 3 or more blatant open throws and bad decisions he makes leading up to that point usually proves why it wasnt done earlier.

    The OL needs to pull its head out of its ass if we want to find out how well the Sanchez/Schotty marriage is truly working in his 3rd yr.
     
  8. DisgruntledLionFan

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    From the outside looking in, I can understand why fans don't like him and why Jets fans love him.

    When he's bad, he looks mechanical and seems to be throwing, rather than pitching, so to speak. When he's good, he makes smart, quick decisions and the ball is on the intended WR in a hurry.

    But you're right, it's usually been one or the other with no middle ground.

    The fact that Rex keeps bringing BS back would lead me to believe that he and/or the majority of the staff believe that it's more Mark holding the offense back, rather than the opposite.

    But ultimately, if things don't improve, you can't keep doing the same thing and expect a different outcome.

    Sanchez isn't the first, and certainly won't be the last, that could flourish under another's guidance. Or he could simply be a coach killer. Those aren't exactly rare, either.

    It's really hard to say and I imagine extremely frustrating to watch on a weekly basis.
     
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  9. nyjunc

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    I wouldn't necessarily label him a big game QB but he doesn't melt under the pressure of big games in january which is a great sign.
     
  10. Jets n Boys

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    Here's my take on Sanchez:

    Sanchez can become hot and cold several times within the game. Against Raiders, he a few nice drives and looked sharp until he started missing open receivers or throwing passes that could have been TD rather than a nice gain to 15 yards. It was very frustrating to watch him miss WR early in the 4th, n it's been the case this yr.

    Even against Jags he had great numbers, except 4-5 bad passes that were either picked, or missed the WR by a good distance. It could be rust as he'll strike some perfect passes in between too.

    We keep saying schotty needs to start Sanchez with quick passes to get a rhythm going. But he has had couple of really good starts only to start making mental mistakes. Not many, but a few. They may not be quick n easy completions but if u just went 6 out 7 for 60 yards, u can't blame it on Schotty for not trying to start him off slowly.

    Sanchez needs to be consistent through out the game. One thing is clear, Sanchez will not have those 3-4 pick games n will show much more improvement over the course of the season. He also needs to learn to throw the ball away, something he hasn't been good at. His 2 min offense is excellent IMO.
     
  11. Br4d

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    Sanchez has 3 full years as a starter now between his last year at USC and the 2 with the Jets. That's what most NFL starting QB's start their careers with after starting for 3 years in college.

    He's actually progressing really well. The Jet's offense is not but Mark Sanchez is, if you look at the numbers. The question is how Sanchez can improve year over year the way he has and yet the offense stays flat. How come the Jet's offense has been flat for the last 5 years except for the destroyed season in 2007 and the 11 games that a healthy Brett Favre ran it?
     
  12. flynismo

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    Pure talent, I'd say Stafford, and not even close.
     
  13. Jets n Boys

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    Thats not even a question. Stafford has shown much more than Sanchez. He just needs to stay on the field and get some playoff experience, which I think he will this year. Happy for him, as he has a very promising career that could go to waste, and we all know that feeling around here.
     
  14. NDmick

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    Because LT, Burress, Homles, and Mason have essentially alluded to the fact that Schotty has made things predictably boring on this offense and everyone knows what's coming.

    Fucking hell. Just what an offense needs - predictable plays and a bad OL. A recipe for frustration and a middling offense.
     
  15. nyjunc

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    Who has said a thing outside of Holmes for one game where he had one catch? It's hard to be imaginative when you can't block and can't run, right?
     
  16. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    There are ways to counteract poor blocking and slow down a pass rush. You do that with screens, quick trap and draws. I don't remember any of that on Sunday.
     
  17. ajax

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    No. That's how you counteract a defense that's being too aggressive or a defense that over pursues and doesn't properly contain. Raiders didn't need to do any of those things to slap Sanchez around.
     
  18. nyjunc

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    We can't run up the middle and you expect quick traps? I saw some some screens though I don't recall any draw plays.

    At one point do we hold the players accountable? Not to mention we scored 24 which easily could have been 31, our O wasn't bad- our D was bad.
     
  19. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    To help an OL that can't block you need to create a moment of hesitation. That's what those plays do for you.
     
  20. nyjunc

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    I saw them try those type of plays the first 2 weeks(even w/ Mangold), they didn't work and every time we tried to run inside(not necessariyl on quick traps) vs. oak we were stuffed, we had all our success running outside against them.

    Our O isn't great but people are acting like our offense is terrible. We have 2 of our top 3 WRs(and 3 of our top 4) that are new to this offense, we have a struggling RT and we lost Mangold in week 2. It's amazing the amount of points we have scored w/ the TOs and inability to run consistently.
     

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