What about the exception that allows a team to resign a player that was on the roster the previous season(introduced in the new CBA deal)? I'm sure the Jets can use SOME of it on Ellis? I would love to have him in there on passing downs, and keep him fresh come playoff time
Don't worry bout it, easily done heh ... Ellis needs to stay though, he can absolutely help tutor Wilkerson and the other D-line members. Yeah he's a VET we know, but we know the respect this man has in the locker-room and I'm not about having the Pats / AFC 3-4 contender scoop this guy up and have him do the same exact thing I mentioned in the previous post. We know he won't just take the first deal that comes on the table with other teams, we got some time to get this guy back with the Jets It can't be THAT much money to retain him, I think Ellis wouldn't mind a 1 year or 2 year 2 million dollar deal something of that nature
WHo else would offer him enough money that he would leave? tanny hangs on to him w a smaller contract.
Veteran minimum or gone. We have too much depth on the DL to pay him. Remember that we have to sign and pay our rookies with that cap number, too. And the top two rookies are DL. I've always liked Ellis and wish him the best, but he will not be getting the best from the Jets.
I don't know about too much depth. You think the rookies, one or the other, are going to start on opening day? I don't. who else from last year would have been a better starter than Ellis? I don't think anyone is. He'll be back.
1st Round rookies are not intended to be projects. Wilkerson should start Week 1. If he doesn't, then it will be because he may be too dumb to play in Rex's defense.
He's been my favorite player for some time now, and I'd love for him to stick around, but maybe for vet min.
Brick was a project. His scouting reports said it would take 2-3 years before he looked like a top 5 draft choice and that was dead on. The NFL is a different animal. If Wilkerson doesn't start week 1, its because he hasn't gotten up to speed. Anyone thinking that a player should walk in to this league and be able to go right away is fooling themselves, especially in a lockout year.
No that is absolutely not true. Its actually the opposite of true. This year rookies will have nothing but TC to get their heads on straight and figure out an NFL offense/defense, the speed of the game, and all that other stuff. Wilk will be solid for us, but he is making a giant leap from Temple competition to the NFL. Just like Wilson last year, he is going to have a giant bump in compeition all the time. To top it off, he will be out of his league in practice going against the best OL in the NFL. Wilkerson is going to need time to learn, and time to become a pro. Ellis is the perfect mentor for him. Its also a rarity to see even 1st rounders starting day one, on true superbowl contenders. Rookies will impact things, but superbowl contenders usually can't afford to be starting a rookie at a key position. We have been so spoiled the last few years with the truly impact rookies we have gotten right out of the gate (Sanchez, Revis, Harris, Keller, Greene and many more) so when there is a rookie who doesnt show immediate contributions/greatness, he is a blatant bust. See D'Brick (he was 'D'Bust' until his fourth year) Eric Smith, Kyle Wilson, Vlad Ducasse, Matt Slauson and several other recent draft picks... Year three has always been the year that guys come into their own and develop into the players they become. Give the guys time to learn how to be pros and how to harness their abilities and how to become great.
Or because he'll have had like 4 weeks to learn Rex's defense... Many first rounders are not intended to be given the starting job outright. Here is the 2010 NFL draft. Half the players there, including most of the guys in the 2nd half to the draft, were not Week 1 starters. The Pats drafted Nate Solder higher than we took Wilkerson, and from what I've heard, they aren't sold on giving him the starting job off the bat either.
There are plenty of teams that could use a scheme diverse player like Ellis. A veteran presence who is a damn good player 12 years into his career can help a team in terms of being a stopgap at the DE spot. He's not going to get a big contract. He might get what Jason Taylor got - a 2 year deal that has a 2nd year that really doesn't mean much and he can be cut after it. I want Ellis back as rotational player for the DL. I'd like him to mentor Wilkerson. Knowledge in this league from vets to rookies is invaluable.
Yours is better. Especially about the Jets being absolutely spoiled with immediate impact, not just production, from the rookies drafted. Mangold, Revis, Harris, Keller, Sanchez. Averaging an impact player a year is pretty impressive. Now we see what happens when you have success and you pick late in the rounds - your rookies sit on the depth chart and learn. That is the mark of a strong roster.
Oh its absolutely true. We have been extremely spoiled since the 06 draft as far as finding immediate impact rookies. Now that our roster is jacked with talent, its awesome to be able to become a team like the steelers/ravens who don't have to draft a player because they have nobody in a certain position. They draft the BPA and then a year or two later, when a good player leaves, they have a guy ready to step in and be great for them. Oh i mentioned it briefly why we shouldnt expect tons from Wilk this season, especially early on, but I think due to the limited time, its quite possible we see so very few rookies making impacts league wide this year. I think it might be the weakest looking rookie class ever. Not because they aren't talented, they are. But because they are losing all ability to be mentored by coaches, to get into playbooks and interact with their teams. Not to mention OTAs are huge for rookies, its the first step in getting up to speed on the field.
The bottom line is that the Jets cannot count on WIlkerson starting at DE. They haven't even seen him in camp. Let Ellis go, given that situation? Not happening. Ellis will be back.
Per rotoworld: Youth movement on the line? So, in 2011, we'll have a rotation of Mike DeVito, Mo Wilkerson, and Marcus Dixon. Who's the fourth end? Shaun Ellis, Ropati Pitoitua, or Jarron Gilbert? If we're really strapped for cash, my best guess is Pitoitua, unless Ellis wants to play for vet minimum.
The more I think about it the more I think unless Ellis signs a contract that's favorable towards the Jets we'll roll with youngsters on the DL in 2011. We all know Tanny's strategy is "better let them go one year too early than one too late" and there seems to be a lot of confidence in Pitoitua and Dixon. Also we're not going to have tons of money to throw around between all the expiring contracts and FA... We'll see... my happiness towards Ellis coming back or not will depend on the type of deal he signs and what we do overall in FA... atm if he signs for about 1-1.5 mill with maybe a sack bonus I think he's worth the money...
