I don't see how anyone could argue that O'Brien was as good as Marino, but to state that O'Brien had no talent is just ignorant. He was a good QB, who had an extended spell in 1986 when he was the best in the game. He burned out quickly. That isn't revisionist history.
As many have stated the oline was the reason for his problems and the reason this franchise used to see a qb train wrecked every season from 86-96 . During those 10 years we never truly addressed the main area of a team/ Thankfully we have a GM that realises the importance of that now To put it in perspective O Brien was probably a better qb than Sanchez but never had Mangold , Moore etc etc.
yeah because dan marino was such a fleet footed michael vick type qb... i am sure if you swapped the 2 guys alot of things would have been different but to assume that he would have done specatular things is a bit of a reach. as much as we all sit here and think in hindsight what it would have been like to watch him pitch it all over to walker and then toon it didnt happen. AND they had a guy named shula and walton didnt match up. they also had a guy named stephenson that was a pretty good lineman while we had the likes of reggie mcelroy and mike haight.
Kenny "O" was killed by his line. He was sacked 60 plus times one year. He could have been a real good QB and played another couple of years if we kept him upright. He was gun shy after awhile, beat up like a rag doll. He was no Marino, never mind that, but if he switched places with Todd and played on the early 1980 teams, we would have won a couple of Super Bowls. Todd was a piece of shit, we had the type of running game and pass protection we have now and a great pass rush. Secondary was just ok and special teams... ehhh, but the QB was the weak spot. O' Brein was a tough dude but played scared after all those hits. And Joe Walton was a good coordinator for him but sucked as a play caller when he became a head coach
Todd was a far better QB then Obrian ever was! The Mud bowl is the mud bowl. It was a mess for the hole team....that dam Shula. However Todd won many big games for us and led some of the greatest JETS teams ever. You felt confident w/ him at the helm.
D'oh if I remember correctly O'Brien also threw a TD to this rarely used St John's RB in that game. Another interesting fact about this guy he was released by the Jets midway through the season, played 1 game with another team and returned to the Jets in 1987.
Marino was a very talented thrower! If he was a real QB he would have used the entire Offense rather then to accumulate statistics. For the dreamers who think stats make a QB great, I have news for you. I still would have loved to have seen No Ring behind a bad OL and see how great he was. But that is impossible at this time so I will let OB's detractors say what they want but ask: How many SB rings does the great NO RING MARINO have even though he played with a much, much better team then most QBs of his era? Now that's a real trick question! LOL
Kenny use to wear that cool visor because the critics said he would look too long as his primary receiver. The visor was suppose to fix that problem. I liked Kenny and Pat. I have a picture with Pat Ryan in Caldors in Yonkers, NY. Things must have been bad if he was doing POs in Caldors Dept. Stores.
Seems like you're forgetting a little thing called quick release. It is exactly the fact that kenny had such a bad OL that points to Marino having a better run with the same team. While conversely, kenny o would probably have had more success in miami over the same time period. Without the green goggles, this makes the most sense.
this is true, marino while not fleet of foot did have a very quick release. he avoided many sacks in that way. but i will counter that the shell shockedness would still apply because he would have still been getting hit as much as obrien did... yeah i am reaching the quick release is a good point. but obrien did take a beating.
Far from it, how many rings does Marino have? None. He got his ass beat by the 49ners in the SB. I could care less about his stats. F**k Him. O'Brien has his good games, it just didn't work out. Missing out on Warren Sapp and going with Kyle Brady in 95 was the biggest mistake ever.
Lines that are great at pass blocking are not necessarily also good at run blocking. For the most part the OL that Miami had in place during the Marino era was very much a line that was mediocre at run blocking while excellent at pass blocking. One could go so far, as I did at the time, and infer and even conclude the players were chosen more for pass blocking. At a minimum it is fair to say the Miami teams of that era were not set up to have a strong running game. The emphasis was on passing, and that affected their personnel choices, very much so on the offensive line.
No way. And I am a Todd guy. But O'brien was a far superior QB. Todd threw a million picks, many at key times. O'brien was a Pro Bowl calibar player, Todd wasn't. O'brien won a Passing Title, Todd never came close.
While KOB had his fair share of shining moments, for too much of his career he was also a terminal liability due to his tendency to hold on to the ball too long, slow feet and decision making ability and a propensity to take too many sacks which in turn lead to many fumbles. He could be spectacular at times and just awful so many others. It is impossible to predict exactly what Marino would have done with the Jets but based on the fact that we had assets at various times that he never had in Miami, such as a decent D and a running game, its not unreasonable to assume that Marino might have leveraged them to far greater success than Kenny ever could or did. NO one had a quicker release or stronger arm than Marino who put up ridiculous numbers without any running game to speak of. Opposing defenses knew he would be throwing on every down and still could not stop him more often than not. Whether or not we would have ever won a Super Bowl with Marino is impossible to say but I think its a safe bet that we would have been much more competitive, won many more games and suffered far less as fans than we did through much of the O'Brien era.
in 2 playoff losses he threw NINE INTs. In his 2 playoff wins Freeman McNeil ran for over 200 yds in one of them and our D picked off jim Plunkett 3 times in the 2nd one. Confidence is not something Jet fans felt w/ Todd at the helm. he was productive for a year or two but there's a reason coming off a title game app the Jets drafted a QB in the 1st rd.
O'Brien was far better then Todd. These are two different arguments. Did the Jets screw up not taking Marino? Of course. But now way Todd was the QB that Kenny O was. Not even close.
Todd was mostly terrible. He had a decent regular season back in '81 but went pumpkin in the playoffs (as usual). Todd was pretty much an ongoing disappointment if not an outright bust. Anyone remember his alerting defenses by "patting" the ball before releasing it?
