details NFL offer to union ... union says not good enough...wtf

ace_o_spades · Mar 16, 2011

So apparently playing in the NFL is modern day slavery according to Adrian Peterson.

Miamipuck · Mar 16, 2011

ace_o_spades said: ↑

So apparently playing in the NFL is modern day slavery according to Adrian Peterson.
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Adrian is his slave name..........LDO

Mambo9 · Mar 16, 2011

supersonic said: ↑

The labor stuff brings out the drama queens of this site.

If the players want more maybe they should go start their own league and see how it goes. Or maybe try for another job.

The player don't relize the opporutnity that has been created for them by the league. The league does not need the current player. The can be replaced by the draft, just like they are every few years anyway. Will we have lower caliber for a few years? Sure. But we won't have to deal with this shit again.
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Are you kidding me!?

Just for your information we are having to deal with this shit because the owners opted out, not the players...

alleycat9 · Mar 16, 2011

Mambo9 said: ↑

Are you kidding me!?

Just for your information we are having to deal with this shit because the owners opted out, not the players...
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its funny to see posts like the one you quoted. the players are more than willing to have things stay the same the owners are the ones crying and stomping their feet.

JetFanInMD · Mar 16, 2011

Mara: 'Nobody is saying the NFL is not profitable'

WhiteShoeWillis · Mar 17, 2011

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Here's one issue on Goodell letter: It's a $141M cap number, but after benefits, it's $114M for salary. NFLPA was at $127M two years ago.
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GQMartin · Mar 18, 2011

^ right...it would be lower because the NFLPA insists on more money for alumni for healthcare = lower pay for current players

but the nflpa wants more money AND more health benefits...that's where the disconnect is

Jets201 · Mar 18, 2011

supersonic said: ↑

The labor stuff brings out the drama queens of this site.

If the players want more maybe they should go start their own league and see how it goes. Or maybe try for another job.

The player don't relize the opporutnity that has been created for them by the league. The league does not need the current player. The can be replaced by the draft, just like they are every few years anyway. Will we have lower caliber for a few years? Sure. But we won't have to deal with this shit again.
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Disagree. 15 years ago, what you say might hold true. The NFL is more about the marketability of the individual player now than it ever was.

The NFL is banking on the idea that the fiscal irresponsibility of the players will get them to break. You're out of your mind if you think the possibility of replacement players will have any effect at all on the negotiations. The last thing the owners want to do is go into a season with a bunch of guys they found in the CFL.

WhiteShoeWillis · Mar 18, 2011

GQSanchez said: ↑

^ right...it would be lower because the NFLPA insists on more money for alumni for healthcare = lower pay for current players

but the nflpa wants more money AND more health benefits...that's where the disconnect is
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That and the extra money the owners want to take off the top.

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Johnny English · Mar 18, 2011

WhiteShoeWillis said: ↑

That and the extra money the owners want to take off the top.
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It's hard to sympathise with already overfed pigs fighting at the same trough.

TommyGreen · Mar 18, 2011

I don't even bother following this shitshow. I learned during the whole Revis thing that devoting time reading article after article and following stupid twitter feeds just ain't worth it.

Fuck both sides.

ScotsJet · Mar 19, 2011

peytonmanning18 said: ↑

The whole "partnership" thing is bullshit. They aren't partners. If they were really partners the players should match every dollar that the owners have paid for stadiums, organization employees, coaches, janitors, concession stand workers, trainers, cheerleaders, halftime entertainers and everyone else that has ever gotten a paycheck from an NFL team. The way it was before the lockout was the players got 60% of the revenue, without dropping a cent of that into operational costs. To say the owners take no financial risk is ignorant bullshit. Just because the NFL is riding high right now doesn't mean that the NFL is above tough times. The number of blackouts has increased steadily since the economic shit hit the fan, attendance is down, and even though the other teams didn't open their books, I refuse to believe that the Green Bay Packers are the only team bringing in less and less money each year. If there is no need for owners then maybe players should just go start their own league where they can keep 100% of the profits. So I am just going to take you as a liberal that thinks everyone should get a participation ribbon and a check for trying hard and no one deserves to have more money than anyone else.
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Nothing is stopping the owners accepting the decertification and implementing whatever rules they want in accordance with the law. They are choosing not to do that.

colleen74 · Mar 19, 2011

TommyGreen said: ↑

I don't even bother following this shitshow. I learned during the whole Revis thing that devoting time reading article after article and following stupid twitter feeds just ain't worth it.

Fuck both sides.
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Agreed. Just tell me when it's over (which is hopefully before the season starts) :::sigh:::

WhiteShoeWillis · Mar 19, 2011

So ahh - here's the player's response.

Your statements are false.

We will let the facts speak for themselves.

* The proposal by the NFL was not an “a la carte” proposal. The changes in offseason workouts and other benefits to players were conditioned upon the players accepting an economic framework that was unjustified and unfair.
* Your proposal called for a pegged amount for the salary cap plus benefits starting at 141M in 2011 and increasing to 161M in 2014, regardless of NFL revenues. These amounts by themselves would have set the players back years, and were based on unrealistically low revenue projections. Your proposal also would have given the owners 100% of all revenues above the low projections, including the first year of new TV contracts in 2014. Your offer did NOT meet the players halfway when it would have given 100% of the additional revenues to the owners.
* As a result, the players’ share of NFL revenues would have suffered a massive decrease. This is clear by comparing your proposal to what the players would receive under the 50% share of all revenues they have had for the past twenty years.
* If NFL revenues grow at 8% over the next four years (consistent with Moody’s projections), which is the same growth rate it has been for the past decade, then the cap plus benefits with our historical share would be 159M in 2011 (18M more per team than your 141M proposal) and grow to 201M per team in 2014 (40M more per team than your 161M proposal).
* Your proposal would have resulted in a league-wide giveback by the players of 576M in 2011 increasing to 1.2 BILLION in 2014, for a total of more than 3.6 BILLION for just the first four years. Even if revenues increased at a slower rate of only 5%, the players would still have lost over 2 BILLION over the next four years. These amounts would be even higher if your stadium deductions apply to the first four years (your proposal did not note any such limits on these deductions).
* We believe these massive givebacks were not justified at all by the owners, especially given recent projections by Moody’s that NFL media revenues are expected to double to about 8 BILLION per year during the next TV deal.
* Given that you have repeatedly admitted that your clubs are not losing money, the billions of dollars in givebacks you proposed would have gone directly into the owners’ pockets. We understand why the owners would want to keep 100% of this additional money, but trying to sell it as a fair deal to the players is not truthful.
* You proposed a CBA term of ten years. But you did not include any proposal on the players’ share of revenues after the first four years, which left open entirely how much more the owners would have taken from the players.
* The owners continued to refuse to give any financial justification for these massive givebacks. Our auditors and bankers told us the extremely limited information you offered just a few days before the mediation ended would be meaningless.
* Your rookie compensation proposal went far beyond addressing any problem of rookie “busts”, and amounted to severely restricting veteran salaries for all or most of their careers, since most players play less than 4 years. What your letter doesn’t say is that you proposed to limit compensation long after rookies become veterans — into players’ fourth and fifth years. As our player leadership told you and the owners time and again during the negotiations, the current players would not sell out their future teammates who will be veterans in a few short years.
* Your proposal did not offer to return the 320M taken from players by the elimination of certain benefits in 2010. It also did not offer to compensate over 200 players who were adversely affected in 2010 by a change in the free agency rules. Your letter did not even address a finding by a federal judge that you orchestrated new television contracts to benefit the NFL during the lockout that you imposed.
* You continued to ask for an 18 game season, offering to delay it for only one more year (you earlier said it could not be implemented in 2011 no matter what due to logistical issues). This was so even though the players and our medical experts warned you many times that increasing the season would increase the risk of player injury and shorten careers.
* All of the other elements you offered in the mediation, which you claim the players should have been eager to accept, were conditioned on the players agreeing to a rollback of their traditional share of 50/50 of all revenues to what it was in the 1980′s, which would have given up the successes the players fought for and won by asserting their rights in court, including the financial benefits of free agency the players won in the Freeman McNeil and Reggie White litigations more than 20 years ago.
* The cap system for the past twenty years has always been one in which the players were guaranteed to share in revenue growth as partners. Your proposal would have shifted to a system in which players are told how much they will get, instead of knowing their share will grow with revenues, and end the partnership.
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That's just their bullet points, here's the link to the entire response.

http://www.nfllockout.com/2011/03/19/the-players-respond/#more-1245

IATA · Mar 19, 2011

Whoa, you mean Goodell is a lying piece of shit and is trying to twist the clusterfuck he created onto the players? What a shock!

I'm sure at least a few of the idiots against the players here will just say this letter is full of lies.

Big Blocker · Mar 21, 2011

I don't mean to suggest I am sympathetic to the players, because I am not. But it is fair to say Goodell is a crappy commissioner.

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