DT Shaun Rogers cut by Browns

Jenkins-Pouha-Rogers. Now that is one freaking hefty DL. If we can keep Jenkins and get Rogers in here cheap, I would love it. Sure everybody says we should get some young guys, but the reality is that finding a young guy with the size/talent/work ethic is hard, especially where we are drafting. We have limited draft picks and other needs on this team. Reasonably priced FA talent is always a good option.

Jenkins-Pouha-Rogers, w/ Devito and Ropati in the rotation. :drool: Nobody would be running on us, and Jenkins and Rogers would give us more of a push up the middle, especially on passing downs, than we got from our DL this year.

 

and then throw in a young draft pick to learn behind those veterans.. that'd be nice

 

Rogers was due 5.5 million this coming year

 

Mangini had two options, either trade down with us, or stay put and select the guy they targeted (Alex Mack) at #5. Normally a team trading up for a QB is bidding against other team for the best package. We weren't, so Mangini took what he could get because he knew it was more important to trade down for his franchise, if memory serves they traded down 3 times in th efirst round which added youth to their team in addition to bodies mangini wanted to help run his system out of the gate. He took the best offer he had, if Washington had actually been bidding with us, we likely would have had to give up more to move into that spot or wait it out...

 

Another veteran cut:


The Atlanta Falcons have announced that safety Erik Coleman has been released. Coleman, 5-foot-10, 201 pounds, was signed as a free agent by the Falcons in 2008. He was originally drafted in the fifth round of the 2004 NFL Draft (143rd overall) by the New York Jets.

 

This is actually what I don't want to happen. I don't want the FO using a Rogers signing as an excuse not to draft a DL in the draft. You can't just wait until Rogers and Jenks and Ropati are all ineffective and then decide to draft DL and just throw him into the system.

 

He acquired guys that knew his system, along with picks, a QB who at the time (you'll laugh now in hindsight) half this board thought had potential, and improved his team in multiple areas instead of one. The trade benefitted both the NYJ and CLE, both then and in the long run. We were a franchise QB away from yearly contention, they weren't/aren't.

Not everybody was sold on Sanchez.

 

...shoulda used Drew Coleman Dad's new laptop.

 

I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. You guys sound like Jets fans from 5-10 years ago that were salivating over signing other teams' castoffs to upgrade our roster. Almost every one of you talks about Rogers being 32 like it's only a few days older than 25. 32 is getting OLD for a DL, especially one who has played as many snaps as Rogers. He also has never been that good. He's been a career underachiever and often a malcontent. He's only had 1-2 really good years his whole career.

Also, I saw a comment that Rogers would love to play for Rex. What makes you think that? He's never been a high motor type of guy. He's lazy and takes plays off. I think he knows Rex would expect too much of him and work him too hard. I'm positive he would want no part of Rex. He's never shown that he has a burning desire to win, only that he wants $$$$s. IMO he's not Rex's kind of player and I seriously doubt if Rex would have any interest in him. I also doubt whether Rob would have interest in him or any of the other Browns castoffs. Dallas has a much better team. Why would he want any/all of those older Browns who were never that good anyway and are all on the downside of their careers? Even if he does, that's his problem.

Besides, as someone else pointed out if the Jets sign older FAs, they may well be tempted to ignore the DL in the draft, and that would be a HUGE mistake imo.

I say a big NO to Rogers.

The Jets need to get younger and faster on the DL, not older and slower. They need high motor guys that are gonna go hard on every down. The Jets need to give Pitoitua, Gilbert, and Dixon every shot to show what they can do. If they draft a DE, then he needs to be given a shot as well. If they bring back Ellis, they know what he can do, and I'd MUCH rather have Ellis back than Rogers.

 

sign this monster ... like someone said earlier this will allow us to draft a project tackle and let rex work his d-line magic on him

 

you write a lot and maybe 8% is correct.

Every "character" guy has played his ass off for Rex. Rodgers knows he's not getting a big contract this season due to labor uncertainty. Dallas is not the better team. I didn't read the rest because you thought Dallas is a better team.

 

he didnt start 1 game last year. this guy is a perfect rotational player. he ALSO has been on SHIT teams HIS ENTIRE CAREER. He may give a lil more for Rex, and the Jets.

 

And what you "read" was wrong. I didn't say that Dallas was better than the Jets. I said that Dallas was better than the Browns.

And if you think Rogers is an answer for the Jets' DL, YOU'RE the one who is wrong!

 

where did I say he was the answer?

That's what you think he'll be if he's here. I know what he is, a short term solution that will aid younger players behind him.

And Rex get the most out of his DL. Have you seen Mike Devito play? He's not supposed to be that good.

 

If he wants to play for dirt cheap, he is definitely a guy that can help this team. Chances are he elands in either Dallas with Rob or here with the Jets.

 

With Jay Ratliff in house, I doubt Rob would have much interest in bring Rogers over with him.


That said, if he believes in him as a player, he'd most certainly recommend him to Rex.

 

I said "if" you think...

Yes, Rex gets his players to play better, but I think Rogers could be an exception. Yes, DeVito has become much better than I ever imagined he could/would, but he had a reputation as a hard worker and someone with a good motor. Rogers doesn't. I don't think he would aid younger players behind him, either. What's he gonna teach them, how to be a malcontent? How to take plays off? I think he'd just be a hindrance. Because of his experience, Rex would probably feel like he had to play him, and it would hurt the possible development of younger players like Pitoitua, Dixon and Gilbert (IF they can ever amount to anything).

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. I've had it with the older FAs. Most simply don't contribute that much. Younger players come into the league every year and play at a very high level. I have no problems with younger, cheaper FAs, who can still learn and improve, and who should be faster than the older guys. Draft picks and younger FAs are how, imo, this team should be built. Parcells, the Redskins and others have tried the older FA route before, and it seldom works. It messes with the cap and either hinders the development of younger players or prevents the team from seeing if those younger players have what it takes or not. Enough with the stop gaps, re-treads, and 1-2 year rentals.