Follow Steelers success with a long Rex run

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  1. GSourJr

    GSourJr New Member

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    One of the main reasons The Steelers are always great (in addition to having probably the best scouts in the NFL) is that their organization stability ensures they usually pick the right players for their defensive and offensive schemes.

    They know who they are, they know what defense they want to play, and they know their identity on offense, and they keep coaches in place for decades at a time.

    Reading stories this week about James Farrior's move to Pittsburgh, and it's a reminder of some of the really good players such as Farrior, Vilma, and Santana Moss that the Jets have moved during the prime--and in some cases, before their prime-- because of coaching turnover and shifting philosophies and schemes.

    This is what happens when you don't have stability in the organization. One regime picks a player for their defense, the coach gets canned and the next guy comes in and changes the defense and makes players obsolete.

    Hopefully, Rex Ryan will be here a long time and the Jets scouts and front office will "recognize a Jets player" when they see one. And we will never again lose a Pro Bowler because of scheme.
     
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    Very true.

    So many players we have seen leave...Santana Moss, Vilma, John Abraham, even Kerry Rhodes (dude was solid, even if he was a primadonna who was a soft tackler)

    Hopefully we can get a nice 5+ year run with the same leaders.
     
  3. SteelCurtain96

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    When Tomlin came in and there was talk of him switching to his favored 4-3 defense, there was a lot of concern in Steeler Nation.

    However he kept LeBeau and the 3-4 and we've continued the run of recent success.

    You are spot on with this point. The Steelers, knowing they run the 3-4, can draft those tweener type players that don't belong in a 4-3. If there was a shift, then you have so many players that don't work anymore and have to rebuild.

    I hope you guys keep Ryan for a long time because he is a damn good coach.
     
  4. fozzi58

    fozzi58 Well-Known Member

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    I know the Steelers got the best of Ryan in his BMore days but from our perspective he's the best damn coach we ever had. This team has had a lack of identity and been the symbolism of mediocrity for a long time.

    I'm happy with my coach and the direction this team is going. Thanks for recognizing that.
     
  5. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    Stability is very key to continued success, provided you have the right coach and FO.

    I'm very happy with Ryan and MT.
    I feel Ryan in particular is creating an identity in style of play, which will help shape how we draft.
    We need to make those picks count to keep it up..
     
  6. BacktoQueens

    BacktoQueens Well-Known Member

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    The Steelers have a strong enough organization and identity, that the coach conforms to that rather than the other way around.
    i respect that.
    Moving away from LeBeau and the 3-4 would have set them back big time.
    Instead, they stayed within their identity and are in a second SB.

    I'm hoping Ryan stays on for quite a bit, and that the Jets as an organization commit to playing a certain way. That way should be focused on winning in the trenches in my opinion.
     
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    very very true.
     
  8. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Imagine this defense w/ a John Abraham rushing the passer? of course the pick we got for him we used on Mangold but just have fun thinking about Abe rushing the passer in this D.
     
  9. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    and thats why tomlin is in his second superbowl and mangini is doing t.v.

    luckily rex was able to turn things around quickly,but mangini easily could

    have set this franchise back years with his refusal to be flexible to the

    players that were already on this roster.
     
  10. Jets201

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    I'd love to see this team go on a run of success like the Steelers. With this coach and quarterback, I think the Jets are primed to do so.
     
  11. Number 10

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    I love Rex, hopefully he'll be here for a long time.

    We need to draft young players in the next few years.
    Right now the team is more of buy a championship mode,
    The Pats had restocked their team with good young players, we
    should do the same.
     
  12. sec314

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    There are 2 reasons why I don't want to get rid of Schotty. The players would have to learn a new offense and Sanchez has improved each year. This isn't baseball where the only real decisions made are the bullpen. Drafting guys for a certain type of system sucks when you change that system. Villma and Farrior.... uggghhh. Imagine having Harris with those 2. Rex knows the players will get better each year in the same system. This is the 3rd year in row with the same coordinators and coaches. When has that happend? I am sure Herm and Mangini made changes the first 3 years, no?
     
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    I think of that constantly. Imagine Rex with Vilma and Harris? I remember Rex saying he wished Vilma was still here cause he would have found a way to use him.

    Rex has that mentality. If you have him a quality player, he will manipulate his plays to maximize the potential of that player in his scheme, regardless if the player was from a 4-3 or 3-4 scheme.
     
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    Abe would have been hurt for the Colt and Pat game, just like he was for the Packer game. He's not a gamer, Vilma, that's the guy we miss.
     
  15. fozzi58

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    Hackett, Heimerdinger, then Schotty with Mangini.

    I know Ted Cottrell was here for a few years as DC. Can remember who replaced him when he got fired though.

    EDIT: The thought of not using LaMont Jordan enough behind Curtis cut Curtis short of having the first spot of 11 consecutive years of rushing for 1000 yards.
     
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    I often think of this too. Mangold was worth it, obviously, but I remember hearing a few comments about how Abe couldn't fit in the 3-4, when in actuality he was drafted as a 3-4 OLB.
     
  17. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    You have his injuries confused, he was sick at Oak in '01. He was playing in the '02 GB game and that great late season run. He also missed the 2004 postseason but he's been pretty healthy in Atlanta. When healthy the man is one of the best pass rushers in the league.
     
  18. fozzi58

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    There too much of that over his career.
     
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    The reason the Steelers are great is Troy Polamalu.

    Take him away and you have a team who hasnt made the superbowl since the 70s.

    I see no (modern) model for success outside of that.

    It would be the same as saying HAY LOOK AT THE COLTS MODEL FOR SUCCESS theyre the winningist regular season team in the history of the nfl and a superbowl contender every year.

    Theres no model, it just comes down to drafting 1 megasuperstar who carries them.

    You want a team with a consistent model of success look at the Ravens. Theyre a contender every single year, and its not because 1 player completely carries them.

    Which is why we should be so glad we got Rex since hes obviously going to build our team into a perennial contender similar to that model. Not like the Colts and Steelers who rely almost completely on a single player
     
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    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    Cottrell was fired after the 2003 season.

    Donnie Henderson was hired to be the defensive coordinator for 2004. He was the Ravens secondary coach in 2003.
     

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