Mark sanchez a franchise qb?

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  1. MadBacker Prime

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    ^^^

    THIS IS HIS SECOND YEAR AND HE'S BREAKING ALL KINDS OF RECORDS/



    Everything is not in one stat. completion percentage.


    That does not take into account game winning drives, miracle comebacks, numerous dropped passes and his natural ability to lead.


    As I posted earlier, you're favorite stat is getting better though. Go look at Joe Namath's completion percentage. Look at Elway his first couple of years, pretty much pick anyone.


    He was asked a lot this year too, he threw over 500 passes in 15 games, only 13 picks. That is damn good.
     
  2. Organized Chaos

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    He misses screen passes for fucks sake, and leads WR's incorrectly at times in routes that are shorter than 10 yards. It's not just "OMG FANTASY STATS", this stuff matters. Sanchez isn't going to always have two #1 WR's to bail him out. He does need to get better, or the Jets won't be in the playoffs every year for the next 10 years because there is no way they will be able to put this kind of talent around him at WR and RB for 10 years.
     
  3. Barry the Baptist

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    Well for starters you'd be wrong because Stafford can't stay healthy. Sanchez is playing with a pretty serious shoulder injury. There certainly are areas that he can improve on but his ability to escape sacks is as good as anybody in the league outside of Michael Vick. I don't think any QB wins a SB without a good team around him so that point doesn't really mean a whole lot.

    Let's look at it this way... Eli Manning has 8 career playoff games so after Sunday Sanchez will have 2 less. In those 8 games Eli has 8 TD passes and 7 INTs with a completion % of 58.5%. 4 wins

    Phillip Rivers 7 career playoff games 8 TD's and 9 INTs with a completion % of 58.5% (exactly the same as Eli) 3 wins

    Tony Romo 4 career playoff games 1 win 4 TD's and 2 INTs. 59% completion

    Joe Flacco 7 career games 4 wins. 4 TD's and 7 INTs completion % of 53.3 %

    Like I said, I know which guy I want as all these guys also have talented teams around them too.
     
  4. Organized Chaos

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    Barry Switzer was 45–26 as a NFL coach with 1 super bowl.

    Was he a "franchise" head coach?

    You guys are acting like people who say "Sanchez isn't a franchise QB" are really saying "SANCHEZ SUCKS AND WILL NEVER EVER BE GOOD".
     
  5. milcus

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    They might not be better with Orton or Cutler, but I think they would be in the same spot with them. 3 of those 4 qb's had much less talent to work with than Sanchez.

    But yeah, the key for him is getting more accurate. If he does, the Jets will be a very dangerous team for the next 10+ years while he is the qb.
     
  6. Organized Chaos

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    The funny part about Eli is, he's on the Giants. If you take a look at Kurt Warner, he was shit with the Giants, then went on to get to the super bowl with the Cards.

    It just goes to show how a crappy OC/System can hinder a QB. I think that happens with Eli a bit, and I wonder with Sanchez sometimes if he'd be better with another OC.
     
  7. milcus

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    While Stafford might be hurt, there is no guarantee that he would have gotten injured here. Just like there is no guarantee that if Chad was not drafted by the Jets, his shoulder would have constantly gotten hurt.

    As for playoff numbers, it does get harder to do good things because more often than not you are playing great defenses. Much easier being Rivers and feasting on a crap schedule year after year, than doing that in the regular season. And while you have to give Sanchez credit, it's kind of hard to say that he is the reason the Jets are winning. It's even harder to say none of those guys could have done what Sanchez did with this team...
     
  8. MadBacker Prime

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    Franchise HC??
    Poor Analogy


    I guess to me Franchise QB means the QB that is carrying our franchise now and well into the future.

    Definition- In professional sports, a franchise player is an athlete who is not simply the best player on their team, but a player that the team can build their "franchise" (team) around for the foreseeable future. ...


    Going off that, Mark Sanchez is our franchise QB. Is he leading the league in TDs, and yards right now? no Do I thin he will soon? Yes
     
  9. milcus

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    I dont know man, in this sytem, I dont think Mark will ever lead the league in TD's and yards. Even if he improves his accuracy, I dont think Rex will ever allow this team to turn into the Colts, but with a good defense. I think Mark's ceiling in this system is what the rapist does in Pitt.
     
  10. MadBacker Prime

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    Do you consider Ben a franchise QB?

    He never leads in those areas but I would.


    Rex has stated many times, that in time Sanchez will be our greatest strength.
     
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    I think some people are failing to see the big picture here. Sanchez is a guy who played relatively few games in college, he was drafted by a team that immediately placed Super Bowl expectations on his shoulders, and he's battled some nagging injuries during his first two seasons. Given all that, the kid has performed remarkably well. Yeah, he needs to be a more accurate passer. Yeah, he needs to make better decisions. That stuff will come. The physical tools are there, the intelligence is there, the work ethic is there, and the mental toughness is there. The franchise is in good shape with this guy at quarterback.
     
  12. milcus

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    I would too. So, if he turns into the rapist, that would not be a bad thing.

    I just dont think that he will ever put up Manning/Brady numbers, which you would need to lead the league in TD's and yards.
     
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    Pretty much 99.9 percent of all quarterbacks in the universe don't put up those numbers, doesn't mean you can't still have a franchise qb
     
  14. Jets201

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    He's in his second year, ctfo.
     
  15. milcus

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    You are 100% correct.

    I was just saying I dont think he will ever lead the league in td's and yards.
     
  16. Organized Chaos

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    Yeah, I pretty much consider a QB a "Franchise" QB if they're the best player on the team, and a top QB in the league, and you can build a pass oriented offense around them. The shortlist from the past 10 years would be Brady, Manning, Brees, etc. You could throw lots of other guys in there like Warner, Farve, etc.

    Rogers is probably the next one coming up.

    I don't think Sanchez is on that level yet, or even close. He plays in a run oriented offense and has a great defense on the other side of the ball. The Jets occasionally win because of him, and sometimes win in spite of him.

    That's ok, you don't need a marquee QB to win a superbowl (but it helps).

    Just to say it one more time for those that don't get it, I'm not saying he'll never be a franchise QB (or a top 10 guy). He simply isn't right now. He can be all those other things that people says he is (a winner, clutch, etc) but he's still not the guy the team is based around.

    Replace Sanchez with Cutler and the Jets easily have the same record.
     
  17. MadBacker Prime

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    I'm not going on and on about this during a week like this.

    Cutler has not proven himself under pressure situations.

    Agree to disagree, to me we found our franchise QB and he wears #6.
     
  18. gammatec

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    I don't think Kitna, Orton, Cutler or Eli make some of the gutsy throws and comebacks Sanchez makes.

    Would any of those guys make that huge pass to Braylon or Holmes late in the game? Pats game, second half.




    Great post. Sanchez looks like a king compared to those guys. Post season is what matters fellas.

    As a Charger fan, I've called for Rivers' head several time because of this...7 career playoff games 8 TD's and 9 INTs with a completion % of 58.5% (exactly the same as Eli) 3 wins

    Beast mode in the regular season, then folds like a chair in the playoffs.


    Guys, you have a gem here, don't take him for granted.
     
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    Why the fuck are you allowed to throw Sunday aside?


    Why can't we throw a bad game aside instead?
     
  20. RevisOfNazareth

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    To all the doubters:

    You don't like Sanchez because you're clearly racist and jealous that a white (or if you're black, black) QB couldn't get the Jets to the AFCC two years in a row, and that it's a Latino. Grow up. The stats and wins speak for themselves..2011-2021 will be all about Sanchez vs Rodgers.
     

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