Mark sanchez a franchise qb?

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  1. HighFlyingJets

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    How is this even a question? We now have a QB that we can build our offense around for years to come. Of course he's a franchise QB.

    1) #6 already holds the Jets franchise record for most playoff wins in team history with 4.

    2) He's only 1 road win away from holding the NFL record for most career playoff road wins by a QB.

    3) This is the first time in franchise history that we've been to back to back AFC Championship Games in consecutive seasons. Sanchez has played outstanding playoff football.

    4) Has a career winning % of 80% during the playoffs. 4-1. Has beat Palmer, Rivers, Manning & Brady on the road. Losing 1 game to a future HOF QB in Peyton Manning is nothing to hang your head about.

    5) Has an overall record of 22-12 as a starter after only being in the league for two years. Marino had 23 wins and Roethlisberger holds the record with 26 for the most wins during a QB's first 2 years in the league. Sanchez can pass Marino with a SB this year with 24 wins.

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  2. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez has 23 wins already. 13 this year and 10 last year because he missed the TB game.
     
  3. JfaulkNYJ

    JfaulkNYJ New Member

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    bigger the game/situation he has shown up more times than he hasnt.

    franchise qb. who is a young fuck.
     
  4. HighFlyingJets

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    You may be correct, but it's hard for me to give Sanchez that 23rd win, when A) He only played 1 series against the Bills and B) He didn't put up any points during that drive.
     
  5. jerseyjet0912

    jerseyjet0912 Banned

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    lol colin cowherd was spot on yesterday...fans overreact to EVERYTHING. its so so true
     
  6. jets4lyfah

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    Colin Cowherd thinks Rodgers is worse QB than Matt Ryan. The dude is a pure hater
     
  7. milcus

    milcus Well-Known Member

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    Not until he improves his accuracy and decision making. Putting Sunday aside, in a lot of those wins he has done nothing, or nothing for 59 minutes.

    54% is not franchise qb-esque.

    Now, if he improves, he will be, but as of now, he is not.
     
  8. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    You can say he was "bailed out" on the Cotch play but that would be ignoring how many times his WR's let him down this year ahem Cotch against the Packers. How about the TD pass to Holmes? Did Holmes bail him out too or did he just put in a spot that nobody but Holmes could get the ball? How about the throw to Edwards that got us rolling, he didn't escape pressure to make a great throw down the sideline? The most important stat is ZERO turnovers. Look at his postseason turnovers over the last two years and look at Flacco. I know who I'd rather have in the playoffs.
     
  9. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    Listen I understand the regular season is important but in now 5 postseason games (mind you no other Jet QB has won more then 2 postseason games he is 4-1 and he is 1 win away from tying the record for most postseason road wins by any NFL QB EVER) his completion % is above 60% and his TD to INT ration is 7-3. He also has 2 of the 4 best QB ratings ever registered by a Jets QB in the playoffs. You can say it's because of this or that that we are winning games but the bottom line is in 2 years this guy is the best postseason QB this franchise has ever seen and he has managed the big games better then any QB I've ever seen play for this franchise.
     
  10. Jets n Boys

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    He lost a playoff game last year. How can he be a franchise QB?
     
  11. jets4lyfah

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    his career trajectory says he will be a franchise qb for long time
     
  12. jerseyjet0912

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    finally someone thats objective, hes got to improe both of those things. a lot of times he cant hit water if he fell out of a boat
     
  13. milcus

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    The question is simple, is Sanchez the reason for the success, or could the team with with anyone?

    I think it's the latter. If you put Stafford on this team, do you think this team is not in the same spot? Conversely, do you think the Lions are better with Sanchez? To me, Sanchez was lucky to be drafted to a good team (like the rapist), and the level of talent of the other 52 guys is making Sanchez look pretty good.

    Now, I am not saying Sanchez will never be good, but right now, he is not a franchise qb.
     
  14. Jets201

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    There's no reason to think that he won't improve on that. He's already shown that he has the guts to make it in the NFL, which is the most important part of the equation.
     
  15. milcus

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    And he might be. I hope that he is. I hope that he becomes an all-time legend. But right now, he is not a franchise qb. He is an inaccurate qb who has 4 road wins that is due moe to the defense, running game, and offensive line than him.
     
  16. MadBacker Prime

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    Well in bigger games he shows up.

    58.1% vs the Colts
    64.0 % vs the Pats



    Closes the season out vs Pitt (65.5%,) and vs the Bears (64.9%)


    He's still young and improving everyday, if he wins this weekend he will have the most playoff road wins of any QB in the history of the NFL. In the playoffs he now has 7 Tds to 3 INTs, more than double.

    He most certainly is our Franchise QB.
     
  17. jets4lyfah

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    sounds like a young big ben...

    nah actually sanchez is a lot better
     
  18. milcus

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    You are right, but when you complete 54% of your passes on 500 passes, you are leaving 30 completions on the table (assuming a guy should be around 60%). That is a huge number.

    And until he improves that, the Jets wont be as good as they could be.

    So, while you like his moxie late in games, if he was more accurate, the Jets would not consistantly be in close games.

    Look at last week, the Jets basically dominated and won by 14 (forget the late TD which was maningless). If he was more accurate, they win that game by 4 td. That is the difference between a franchise qb and a 54% passer.
     
  19. fozzi58

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    Terrible.

    If you are worried about fantasy stats, then you are rooting for the wrong team for the next 10+ years.

    I don't care if Sanchez is rated 32 out of 32 every year for the next 10 years. if we are in the playoffs every years - who gives a fuck what the stats say. He comes up big in big spots and thats all that matters. Once or twice and he got lucky. Its 5 or 6 fucking times this season he has come up big.

    End of story - he IS a franchise QB and he is OUR FUTURE. STFU already with looking for fantasy stats from our QB.
     
  20. Organized Chaos

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    Forget Stafford. Take one of the "average" nfl starters. This season if you go by passer rating, the 14th, 15th, 16th and 17th guys were Kitna, Orton, Cutler and Eli.

    Would this team be better or worse with those guys?

    People are using collective statistics to justify Mark Sanchez as a franchise QB, but if you look at it objectively he's a below average QB who's on a good team and also comes up big in big games.

    That said, he's a lot better this year than last year, he's clutch, and if he ever gets his shit together and can complete 60% of his passes, he will be damn good. He's got all the tools, he just needs to be more accurate...especially on his short throws.
     

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