is cromartie overrated?

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  1. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    No junc, the stats prove that he is not consistently getting beat every week. That's your fictional argument. Keep reading my posts, you might learn something.
     
  2. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    The difference is my statement is based on reality. I wonder what games some of you guys actually watch b/c it is clear you aren't watchhing the Jets w/ some of these statements.
     
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    when revis was out this year do you think lito would of done what cromartie did?
     
  4. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Do the stats show when he has been beaten but it is a bad throw? or when he has been beaten but the ball is not thrown? do they take into account the penalties? or getting away w/ penalties like he did at Pitt?
     
  5. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Does this not happen to every CB junc? Or are you suggesting that Cro is just the most lucky CB in the league? Every other corner has a perfect pass thrown against them for a completion when they're beat. No other corner got away with penalties this year. Is that what we're supposed to believe?

    Are you really going to try and use this flawed argument?
     
  6. Scoffaveli3

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    Do they show when he is in coverage but a receiver makes a spectacular catch? Do the stats show when he is in such good coverage that he forces a sack or a turnover?
     
  7. Murrell2878

    Murrell2878 Lets go JETS!
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    He was covering Reggie Wayne on that play and I think he was covering Wayne most of that game.
     
  8. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    That is a bit overblown.

    -he had a good half against Moss
    -he was beaten all night against Brandon Marshall
    -we blew out Buffalo

    He built this undeserved reputation this year on playing well for a half against a guy who quit.
     
  9. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    You're right, I misspoke.
     
  10. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I'm sure it happens to other corners, I don't see other corners getting beat consistently like I have been w/ Cromartie.

    Stats never tell the whole story especially w/ DBs. it's like using stats to judge OL. The point is that he has been nearly as good as those #s suggest which was illustrated by his awful performance vs. Pitt even thought the #s say he played well.
     
  11. MadBacker Prime

    MadBacker Prime THE Dead Rabbit

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    GOOD HALF?!?! He completely shut him down, COMPLETELY.


    Vs the Bills all the more reason why the Bills were airing it out. He shutdown Johnson that game.



    I'm only addressing those 2 games but the list goes on.
     
  12. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Of course they don't tell the whole story. To say he's always getting beat is just ridiculous on your part though. He was thrown at more than all but 5 corners this year and has the 3rd best completion percentage against for all corners.

    If he's beat so often why does he give up such a low percentage of receptions when thrown at? And that's with a pathetic pass rush for the most part. Maybe what you think appears to be him being beat isn't actually true because of his ability to recover?
     
  13. rex-N-effects

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    how many other teams do you watch to see it? or do you just watch highlights. i watch plenty of games and i see CBs getting beat way worse. did you not see what vick/rodgers/grossman did to the giants DBs the past 3 weeks? Did you not see what tom brady and even mark sanchez did to the bears DBs? did you not see brunell and edwards on the Bills DBs?

    nobody is prefect and never lets up a catch.
     
  14. TommyJ

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    Covering Wallace when Roethlisberger has a ton of time to throw is not the easiest thing to do.
     
  15. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    So lets review:

    Cromartie has been targeted more than all but 5 CB's this year.
    Cromartie has given up the 3rd best completion percentage when targeted (Revis #1).
    Junc says he's getting beat like a drum on a consistent basis. Just look at the Pittsburgh game when Roethlisberger had 9 seconds to throw the ball and was only able to beat Cromartie for 3 receptions. It's obvious.
     
  16. nyjunc

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    He did against a player who QUIT!

    I don't remember the Buf game, it was a blowout quickly and johnson had 3 recs that game, the same # he had in each of their first 3 games.

    He's getting beat consistently, are you watching the games? again, the #s show he played well against Pitt but he was humiliated in that game. he was pathetic.

    I don't care about the Giants DBs, Cromartie is talked about on this board like he is a great player and that isn't the case. he has been mediocre for us for most of the year and that is being kind.

    Now the excuse is ben had time to throw. How come Hines Ward wasn't killing us? keep those excuses coming.
     
  17. GoPats

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    This.

    He absolutely owned Randy Moss in Week 2. But I don't remember hearing his name called a single time (except when making after-the-catch tackles) against the Patriots on 12/6 when he was covering Branch and/or Welker.

    Cromartie tends to play better against guys who are built the way he is - meaning, tall and kind of lanky/long.
     
  18. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Who didn't own Randy this year? and he didn't own him when randy came back w/ Minnesota.
     
  19. GoPats

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    I dunno, I only got to see Moss play in a few games. :wink:

    I still stand by my point. Cromartie looks better against taller, more outside-type guys and doesn't seem as effective against smaller, quicker receivers.

    Is he over-rated? Probably somewhat. But I think most teams would be happy to have a #2 CB of his caliber.
     
  20. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    lmao. I don't need excuses junc. You are being completely owned. Your only argument is that because you say something, it is a fact.

    Explain how the guy who is targeted more often than all but 5 CB's in the league and has the 3rd best completion percentage against is consistently beat. If he were consistently beat and thrown at so often he would have a MUCH worse completion percentage against. Unless of course he's just the luckiest CB in the history of the league.
     

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