NY Jets vs. Indianapolis Colts Thread - Saturday 1/8 8:20PM NBC

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by mezzavo, Jan 2, 2011.

  1. gopats88

    gopats88 Member

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    The jets defense allows the lowest comp. % in league... colts have 3rd highest compl. %

    The colts defense allows the highest comp. %... jets have 3rd lowest compl. %

    I'm not quite seeing how this translates to a significant advantage for the jets
     
  2. gopats88

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    umm... those 4 games that they just won have ALL come against teams with more rushing TDs and higher rushing ypa than the jets. Jacksonville and Oakland both have more total rushing yards.

    just saying...
     
  3. Vorrecht

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    The Jets can run the ball, the Colts can't. Therefore, passing is more important to the Colts.
     
  4. PatsFan2003

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    The Jets D really needs to pressure Manning. I don't think they'll be able to sack him but at least make him throw before he's ready. If not, he'll find someone eventually. If the Jets offense can mix the run in enough that would be good for them.
     
  5. gopats88

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    i get that, just not the completion % thing
     
  6. gopats88

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    ^^^ it is a strength against a strength, and a weakness against a weakness... numerically it is a complete wash
     
  7. LoyalJetsFan

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    Another Pats fan that started rooting for the team in 2001...blow me
     
  8. gopats88

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    well it didn't seem like any of you "lifelong, devoted" jets fans were rushing to point out that clear lack of logic in his argument
     
  9. rex-N-effects

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    colts are beatable. there not the same team they've been the past 8 years
     
  10. KWJetsFan

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    For what it's worth, Tony Dungy said the Jets can beat the Colts, but they won't. Harrison......well, you know he thinks the Jets will lose.

    I think the game will be a very close, very tense, nailbiter.
     
  11. S.HOLMES.10

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    any team is beatable in the playoffs.....
     
  12. Rockefella

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    Jerk off pat fans raining on our parade in here. Get the fuck out
     
  13. NYColtFan

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    Hey guys, Colts fan from NY here - love Rex and your team as long as they're not playing the Colts and will root for them if they beat the Colts to beat our common enemy in NE.

    Since I can't start a new thread, let me offer my thoughts from the Colts point of view, on the up-coming match-up - feel free to add your thoughts. I'll only comment on players ON the roster and try to minimize the bitching and moaning over injuries. I don't care how much people say injuries aren't an excuse, that's just bullshit - you lose your best players and then lose their backups, you WILL see a drop-off in production.

    QB - Manning is having a down year, and despite playing behind a horrible O-line, overcoming injuries by playing with street-free agents on offense and bad WR play, he is making horrible decisions, making poor throws, not trusting his protection and seeing ghosts out there. Many of his INTs have been his fault (not counting ones that result from miscommunication with his receivers) and after a year where he led 7 4th Q comebacks he has 0 for this season and for all intents and purposes, having a "down year" - but when you still get the #3 seed with all the adversity this team has faced, that says alot for how great Peyton Manning is.

    Problem is, in years past, Colts lost one or two pieces on offense and Manning kept them rolling but he can only cover up for short-comings of talent on offense so far before the camel's back breaks ...not having Collie, Clark and Gonzalez is really hurting this team (see section on WRs) and forcing Manning to work to the strengths of who's on the roster ..which I'm not sure what it is. It's bullshit that Manning can make ANY receiver off the street look like a HoF-er ...he can exploit talent but end of the day, just because you sprinkle sugar on dogshit doesn't change the fact it's crap.

    You can tell he's been frustrated this year and has had to force it into tight windows / make contested throws all year. Best way to beat Manning in my opinion is to play man-coverage and blitz - make his receivers beat you ..you play zone and 3-man rush he'll find the soft spot and kill you with death by a thousand cuts.

    However, on any given day, Manning can snap out of his funk, make unbelievable plays and remind you why he is the greatest QB of this decade - problem is, those moments are mixed in with poor decisions and throws this year. If it's worth anything, he seems to have Rex's number throughout his career and hasn't lost to a Rex D since 2001. Best way to beat Manning aside from man-coverage is to take away his greatest strength, which is his ability to make pre-snap reads by playing amoeba defense and having your D audible into the "real" alignment just before the play-clock winds down to take advantage of Manning's tendency to let the clock drain before he gets a play-off.

    WRs - horrible ...Reggie Wayne making it to the Pro Bowl was a joke and more a life-time achievement award than based on his play this season. Despite a career high in receptions, he struggles against man-coverage and doesn't get open deep anymore and is really a glorified posession receiver at this point and leads the team in drops.

    Garcon, despite burning you guys last year is maddening as hell ..he'll drop routine, easy passes then make a freak one-handed catch. He is an unreliable receiver who makes you shit yourself on 3rd downs and struggles to get separation. He is meant to take the lid off of a D and beat them up-top but he is constantly blanketed, dropping balls, or running a crappy route - he is one of the worst route runners I've ever seen. He does seem to have "intangibles" however, and once he actually gets the ball in his hands (rare) he is capable of making things happen.

    Blair White - UDFA rookie and a poor man's Austin Collie. Without Dallas Clark and Collie, the primary threat down the seam is Blair White and Tamme, but these guys are nowhere near as good. White's game-speed is far slower than Collies' despite supposedly having a better 40 time. He's a rookie I know, but he has had several miscommunications with Manning and struggles to get separation (notice a trend here?)

    TEs - Don't let Jacob Tamme's statistics fool you, anyone who knows football and watches the Colts know that Tamme's value in numbers nowhere approaches the effect Dallas Clark has on opposing Ds in terms of opening things up for other players. Tamme is a slow, lumbering white guy down the seam who doesn't adjust well to the ball and can't make tough catches - but he does have good hands and hauls in the passes you expect him to. He is a classic example of someone being good because of Manning - can't wait for some sucker to trade for him expecting him to be a #1 TE

    Brody Eldridge is a blocking TE who comes in on our "power" packages, and if he catches a pass it's because he was the last option - Gijon Robinson is arguably the worst football player I've ever seen, and how he has a spot on the roster is anyone's guess.

    O-line - ironically, this much-maligned unit has survived the rash of injuries. Our tackles are average at best, our interior line play is awful and our center is aging. Polian needs to be held accountable for the quality of this O-line since he called them out after the Superbowl, cut one of our best linemen in the off-season, drafted garbage to replace them and has seen the unit regress over last year. They pass-block OK (but not good) but are soft as shit and get blown off the line on running plays. One of the reasons Manning's YPA is down this year is due to having to get rid of the ball, on average, in 1.7 seconds and not having time to let routes develop downfield by our slow receivers.

    RBs - Donald Brown is a waste of a 1st round pick - no clue in pass protection and whenever he's back in shotgun I get scared of Manning get Romo'd. He has some home-run ability and pass-catching ability, but he lacks decisiveness and vision to run behind this shitty line

    Addai is quite possibly the most underrated and one of the most important players in our offense. He is a complete back who runs hard (he struggles to get 2-3 yards after having to fight to get past the line of scrimmage on so many plays that go off-tackle) but will never post big individual numbers due to our style of offense and crappy O-line. He is one of the best pass-protecting RBs in the league and the drop-off between him and others is significant in terms of technique and recognition. Not a home-run threat however.

    Rhodes is over-the-hill but brings a spark and runs hard ...he's a good relief back but wears down quickly and not a homerun threat.

    D-line - we are ranked something like 15-16th in sacks ..makes sense since we only have half a pass-rush ...our DEs are great, but they sell-out against the pass too much and can be taken out of the play alot plus our interior line generates zero pass rush hence opposing QBs usually just have to step-up in the pocket. Larry Coyer is also a horrible D coordinator and will often waste our DEs on fruitless stunts that negate their strength. Freeney is all speed and leverage ..asking him to loop around (something they do ALOT) is just retarded. Behind Mathis and Freeney is no-one and because Coyer is an old saggy piece of shit who plays our DBs 10-15 yards off the receivers, we can make Kerry Collins and David Garrard look like HoF-ers.

    The DTs have gotten alot better against the run but they still lack the ability to collapse the pocket. You guys, with the best center in football and a strong interior line, won't have to worry about the pocket collapsing anytime soon. However, they have gotten ALOT better at stopping the run - don't believe me, look at our last 3 games against Tennessee, Oakland and Jacksonville. Trust me, we've been stopping the run just fine of late, it's our pass D that currently sucks due to injuries and the fact we sell out against the run.

    LBers - very very average group that's been injury riddled. Not sure how much of a boost Session coming back gives us owing to rust and injury. They over-pursue alot and lose containment alot due to the mentality of swarming to the ball ..they bite hard on misdirection plays alot too.

    CBs - the weak-link due to injury ...Jerraud Powers is our best CB and he's on IR, Justin Tryon was signed off the Foreskin's practise squad and played good coverage ..Hayden is our most expensive corner but he is incredibly overrated yet always gets a free-pass. Lacey is master of the 10-yard cusion but will occasionally make a play. Our CBs aren't good in man-coverage and to make things worse, often play 10-yards off a receiver, even on 3rd and 4th or 3rd and 3rd. We have one of the worst 3rd down Ds in the league. They tackle well though ..if it wasn't for them, all those 15 yard gains would be 40 yarders *eyeroll*. They struggle against big physical receivers and someone like Holmes looks like a nightmare.

    Safeties - walking wounded. Antoine Bethea is a Pro Bowl snub and the only person holding our secondary together - he reminds me of a productive Kerry Rhodes. Aaron Francisco might be the worst strong safety in the league and how he has a job is beyond me - he'll whiff, take poor angles and just outright sucks, but in fairness, we were scraping the bottom of the barrel at this spot due to injury

    "Special teams" - we have one of the worst coverage in the league and are dead last in average starting field position, that's all you need to know. Our projected return-men are on IR and Rhodes is a horrible return-man ..getting back to the 20 on kick-offs is a miracle. Pat McAfee looked like Scifres at one point, but since his little naked swim in the canal during the bye-week has played like crap. Vinatieri is luckily having an amazing, quiet season and only missed 1 FG over 40 yards at home for his Colts career. His kicks today were dead center from 48 yards out - this guy still has it.
     
  14. NYColtFan

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    Let me ask you guys - other than #18 ...what are you guys afraid of, when it comes to the Colts? Your team has gotten better since last meeting while the Colts are a shadow of themselves last season due to injuries and regression all-across-the-board. Specifically, your weakness in depth at CB (something Garcon and Collie exploited) was addressed (BTW how's Kyle Wilson panning out?) and your biggest weakness in coverage, which is the middle of the field, we lack the horses to take advantage of without Collie and Clark.

    Seems like your D has regressed though and looks like you're struggling to generate pressure without blitzing. Your running game isn't as dominant as last year either, but your receivers are better and Sanchez has gotten better (though it looks like he's in a funk right now). This is a tough match-up for the Colts and I feel like they're playing with house-money right now (like htey were in 2006) and I think it comes down to whether Manning's receivers can win their individual match-ups. This is not a good Colts team - we have not beaten any good teams all year other than Kansas City and have grinded out wins against mediocre teams. Our offense is missing the big-play and we've had to grind out wins.

    Let me know how you guys are feeling about this game.
     
  15. PatsFan2003

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    Enjoy your one and done post season then.
     
  16. Rockefella

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    Cool story bro. Go back to your forum and fellate your patriot brothers
     
  17. Jetserella

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    First, nothing is an automatic win in this league; Second, I like our chances against the Colts; But really, what's with all the hater-ade? Sounds like you had a rough day and its naptime...
     
  18. HarmCityJet

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    Enjoy your tuck rule/spygate "dynasty"
     
  19. MeanGreene23

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    Nobody gave us a chance against the Chargers last year and look what happened. So anyone who thinks we have no shot against the colts should be pushed out a window.
     
  20. James Calvin

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    It would be really helpful if you gave us some more insight into that.

    Specifically, how did it feel to you personally when the patriots went one and done last year? How long did your butt hurt?
     

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