Deadspin had a much better headline: http://deadspin.com/5721686/nfl-punishes-jets-for-exposed-body-part-that-is-not-brett-favres-penis Kansas City delenda est.
It was a combination of both of those things, plus an added little zing at Westoff for not taking it like a man and trying to deflect blame for his sideline onto other teams. Kindergarten tactic. As I wrote in some other post- it was the NFL telling Westoff to STFU with regard to trying to impinge on the integrity of other teams and by extension the League as a whole. I bet if the reaction had been 'we made an error and it won't happen again' rather than 'neener neener everybody else does it too', there wouldn't have been a fine.
Close. With the Patriots it just good, hard competitive football. With everyone else it's cheating. :wink: The Patriots even do that better. Compare Belichicks attempt to keep Harrison off the field with the Jets kneeing of the Dolphin player. Belichick's efforts are just about 1000x's more entertaining.
OK, so in that case you're accepting that making a wall is illegal irrespective of whether the players are active or inactive and therefore the Patriots are guilty. Either that, or the Jets are in part being fined for it but it isn't illegal, so you're saying that there are two different sets of rules. So, either the Patriots have also acted illegally and not been punished for it, or the Jets are being unfairly punished. Which is it?
Seriously? OK- the area is FOR active players who are coming into the game to stand in (Patriots in this instance). That's what its painted there for. Whatever 'wall' these kind of players might happen to make is a result of them being there ready to go in. Which is legal. The wall the Jets just got fined for was comprised of INactive players, who are NOT supposed to be in that area, but were there FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF BEING A WALL. On top of that, Alosi stuck his knee out. And on top of THAT, Westoff acted like a little kid by his statements. Its embarrassing, man. Grown men don't need to play the 'but he did it too!' card.
Right, so what you're saying is that the fine was for inactive players being in an illegal position. If active players could legally stand there and make a wall, then the formation is absolutely irrelevant - they can make a human pyramid if they want, the only offence they committed was to be in an illegal position. So, the Jets have been fined $100,000 for having inactive players in an illegal position. Think that's reasonable, do you? I realise that as a Patriots fan (I'm assuming you are) that you're used to the concept of rules being entirely flexible to suit whatever you requirements are at the time, but really, that's not how they're supposed to work.
'Illegal position' of 'illegal' players' + intentional wall + tripping a Dolphin + following this up with childish language = the fine. A combination of all that shit. Just like I said. Its written in the NFL's statement. I really don't get what you, or Westoff for that matter, are arguing about here. You seem to be trying to anatomize each little aspect of what happened, find some other team who did something loosely resembling this individual aspect, and somehow try to use these comparisons to justify the entire bush-league incident. Come on. It was a dumb move- indefensible. Accept the fine and move on.
It's amazing how comfortable Patriots fans have become over the past 4-5 years debating cheating in football. They are like a fish to water now.
Were the Patriots fined yesterday? No, so no need to interject them into every conversation. We'll have plenty of time to watch them play as they march through the playoffs
No-one's defending the Alosi trip. What people are quite rightly annoyed about is the fact that something which may be in a grey area of legality and which other teams do is only punished when the Jets do it. The Patriots form a wall on the sideline - provable fact. You're saying that the Jets were in part fined for forming a wall on the sideline. The Patriots haven't been fined for doing the same thing. One of our coaches has been censured for making the straightforward factual observation that the Jets are being in part fined for doing something that the Patriots do and haven't been fined for. Can you see the issue, or are your blue and silver spectacles still clouding things up for you? No-one gives a fuck about the fine, it's not our money and it makes zero difference to the team that the Jets put on the field. What people are rightly fucked off about is that once again it is clearly observable and provable that there is one set of rules for the New England Patriots and a completely different set of rules for the New York Jets, and if you can't see that can I politely suggest that you return to whacking yourself off over Tom's latest fashion shots?
We don't need top interject them into 'every' conversation. Only the conversations that involve cheating. Now go fuck your sister.
Not the same thing. That is what you seem incapable of understanding. The color of my spectacles don't change the fact that 1- the Jets wall was illegal because it was composed of inactive players, and the NE wall was legal because it was composed of active players 2- the only reason (and ADMITTED reason, mind you) for the Jets wall to be there was to impede opposing players, whereas NE's wall can be explained by the fact that it was made of players getting ready to enter the game- the reason that area is marked off in the first place. Those are the differences. It is not the same thing. It is pretty hilarious that on one hand NE is given a massive fine and docked a number one draft pick for breaking the rules, and yet they are accused of not having to abide by the rules and getting away with murder. It is equally telling that NE took their fines like men, shut up and played, whereas Westoff can't seem to just accept the penalty and instead has to try and justify it by concocting some excuse. It is also awesome how you need to get personal to try (yet fail) to win your point.
Whenever I see Patriots fans posting on TGG, I think of . . . http://s3.amazonaws.com/bonanzleimages/afu/images/6671/6265/dsc_2480.jpg
First of all, you have no provable facts. You have a set of pictures that could potentially indicate that the Patriots had set up a wall. You can't determine intent. All you really have proof of is that there were Patriots in this illegal zone. That's it. The football equivalent of jaywalking. *GASP* The rest is conjecture. With the Jets you not only a group of coaches/inactive players lined up in a row in this illegal zone (i.e. a wall), you have an idiot of a coach kneeing another player. This is probably one of many NFL rules that wasn't vigorously enforced because no one probably thought too much about it. Until the Jets brought it to attention. Pay the $2.
