Rex (Staff) Simply outcoached - Examples given to discuss

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  1. James Calvin

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    Teams lose games.

    I thought the week 2 win against the Pats showed some good work by the players and coaches.

    I don't think the players forgot how to play, and the coaches forgot how to coach.

    We're even, 1-1 against the Pats head to head this year.

    Getting blown out sucks, but getting beaten by a last second FG sucks too.

    Maybe it's the wake up call the team AND the coaches need to get their shit together and finish out strong. There's a very good chance we'll be tied for first this time next week.
     
  2. rdc2000

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    I've lost count of the number of games I've seen over the years where a team came out in the hurry up. Doesn't mean anything. What matters is execution. Sanchez couldn't throw accurately. Receivers dropped balls. Pats played good D. Rex made two stupid mistakes on the opening drive. All of those things mattered more than any perception coming out of going no huddle...
     
  3. rockyusmc2003

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    It means PLENTY when you're NOT a hurry up offense!

    This is a ground and pound team, we're built to grind it out. Most lose site because we have a good receiving corps. Don't get it twisted, that's who we are. Plus, you don't whip out something like that in that type of situation.

    Proofs in the pudding! See how well it worked for us. Got us into a 10 point whole in the first 10 minutes.
     
  4. psalyga1987

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    That is just utter BS and makes no sense. Making a flawed gameplan by itself is lack of preparation and competence. You can't say our loss is due to not being ourselves when it begins with the gameplan preparation in the first place. If the preparation was effed to begin with then we lost for that very reason. week in week out someone on offense can't put together a successful gameplan - schotty.
     
  5. rockyusmc2003

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    You're reading me wrong.

    I'm saying they put the time in, they knew the challenge ahead. It's not the first time they have seen this team. Correct, the game plan was wrong....BECAUSE they were playing up to Belicheck and not playing OUR game.

    Troll on playa
     
  6. rdc2000

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    Last year we were a ground and pound team. I don't care where we are in rushing this year statistically, it is obvious that we can't rely on the run like we did last year. Where is the huge back that can power out yards when have to have them?

    Going for a 53 yard FG in those conditions rather than pinning them deep cost us far more than playing hurry up.
     
  7. rockyusmc2003

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    Going for a 53 yard field goal is a result of that offense.

    We ran 31 times for 152, that's almost 5 YPC. This defense isn't the Steelers or Ravens, far from it. But, we made them look that way.

    You just don't get in a shoot out with Tom Brady, and that's what it looked like we were trying to do. If you want to start a game in hurry up against the Texans, go for it.

    Good teams don't try to change their identity week 13.
     
  8. psalyga1987

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    So my opposing view makes me a troll? Get over yourself. Week in and week out I see an offense that struggles right out of the gates. So for you to say preparation has nothing to do with it is idiotic because it directly reflects our offensive system and coordinator. You can say we need to be ourselves and I can add that gameplans definitely need to be tailored to opponents weaknesses. Schotty is proving that he can't form a dependable gameplan against key opponents. The talent is there and we played a D ranked dead last, yet we put up 3 points? Preparation sucks
     
  9. rdc2000

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    One or two sets of downs is not an identity shift. They were trying to eliminate the vast substitutions the Pats do on defense, big friggin deal. It's silly to even talk about the first set of offensive downs when the defense was and is the story of last night. The 53 yard fg attempt was the result of a coaching decision. The Jets got the ball on the 26 and moved it to the Pats 35. Not exactly an offensive disaster. If you think a game is lost because you punt from there on the first drive, trailing 3-0, you are nuts!
     
  10. rockyusmc2003

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    17 point Pats 1st quarter. All indicative on poor play calling, giving lousy field position, and lack of moving the ball. 17 points, on the road, against Tom Brady. It's a game of inches my friend, and we gave them a mile.

    Last I checked, we scored 3 points. So yes, those first two drives mean A LOT.
     
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    Not to mention Greene was gashing them from 5+ yard runs that they never stopped, so genius shotty pulls him out.
     
  12. rdc2000

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    Dude- Missed FG, bad coaching decision resulted in good field position for Pats. I just proved that they did move the ball on that first drive.

    Shanked punt (with the wind!) resulted in good field position for the Pats. There's 14 of your 17 1st qtr. points.

    The other 3 came on the opening drive after kickoff that started on their 25.

    Your missing the forest for the trees. Last night was not a game of inches. It was a a game of miles and miles given up by the defense.
     
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    ^^So you agree with me. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing? Cause that is my point all along, straight from OP.

    However, if you want to argue how unimportant the drive was, answer me this. So you're saying they were successful cause they moved the ball 39 yards, and came out with 0 points? Gave Brady the ball at the 43, which resulted in a quick touchdown. Down 10-0?

    There's a momentum factor that you're not considering. This isn't like going down 10 to the Lions at home. Like I said in OP, there were plenty of other bad things. I highlighted the opening drive. So yeah, it's not the only reason. But, it started the snowball going downhill fast.
     
  14. rdc2000

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    So you change your avatar to give me the finger? FU too..

    After 4-5 posts now you go back to the op? Where we disagree is that you say it was the no huddle that started the snowball. That wasn't it. For the LAST time, it was the coaches decision to go for an unmake-able field goal that gave the Pats the short field. It was the horrible defense that resulted in the quick TD.

    We stunk it up in every phase of the game last night, including offense, but to say that it was the no huddle on the first set of downs when they got it to the other teams 35 is retarded.
     
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    This is my old avatar. I changed it to the Brady pic this week for the game. Lurk more.
     
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    That was the theory but they should have taken the kickoff and said we are going to give your offense one less possession in the first half and we are going to take this ball down the field on an 8 minute scoring drive.
     

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