limiting factors going forward......

short quick passing game .....

Is it really that hard?

 

I feel like when we pass the ball, it's never nearly as easy as it is for New England, despite our weapons. I wish we ran more crossing routes, I love crossing routes.

Folk may be an issue, but who can you bring in? Jeff Reed? Some other random kicker off the street? We're not looking at the cream of the crop, most of the best FA kickers (who usually suck anyway) already have jobs. Look at Pettrey on Cincinnati, he missed a short kick.

Missing a 44-yarder is no reason to crucify Folk. But between that and clanging the extra point off the upright are reasons to put him under further scrutiny. Don't cut him now, but his performance has to get better.

 

If it was easy wouldn't the rest of the league just run the Pats offense?

 

I agree... being 5 for his last 10 is the better reason... and I'd bring in Reed for a look...

 

I saw some 4-4-3 against the Bengals last night. I would certainly expect to run that and other unconventional sets against the Pats. Give Brady as many different looks as possible.

 

The biggest limiting factor is the penalties, on both sides of the ball.

 

I said this in another thread....

'If most coordinators had an IQ above room temperature' they'd stop trying to reinvent the wheel...


Coordinators are like artists. They get too married to their own ideas.

And it is that easy.


The Pats offense is a mixture of what Weiss did when he was there (and here AAMOF), and what Tom Moore does in Indy.
Go back and look....Watch the plays they're running for the new TE's....

Schotty's problem is the inability to adapt. No different than Marty.

Neither Manning nor Buck Frady likes to hold on to the ball for longer than 3 seconds.

They will, from time to time but most of the playcalling centers on short drops, and quick exits...

Once you establish that, the pass rush mitigates except in the most obvious passing situations.

 

So the type of offense you want to see run is easy when you have a hall of fame QB. That's the point I'm trying to get at. If your going to run a short quick passing game your QB needs to be able to make smart quick reads on a consistent basis. I know Sanchez isn't making those reads on a consistent basis and neither are most other QB's not name Manning or Brady.

 

Not at all.

We had the same type of offense under Pennington, except he could not make all the throws.
Look at the stretch run in 2002.

 

You have given me two of the best QB's to ever play the game and now Pennington. Pennington lacked the physical tools but he could rival Manning on the mental side. My point about most QB's not being able to make those reads fast enough still stands.

 

The list of QB's that ran a similar offense extends well beyond Brady and Manning.

In fact Schotty's playcalling is far more demanding in terms of reads and decision making.

Shall I throw Matt Cassell in there...How did he do in that offense?

Yes...HoF QB...

 

I was waiting for the Matt Cassell argument from you. Matt Cassell played in the Pats offense with Randy Moss. You know, the guy the Pats got rid of so they could go back to this offense.

How is Matt Cassell looking with Weis in KC? Pretty average to me.

 

Really?

I'd say..better than ours.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...OTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

But don't let facts get in the way of a good discussion.

 

Your making my point for me but you wouldn't realize that. Am I really supposed to take the fact the KC is scoring .3 points more than the Jets as evidence for your point?

Cassell has been in the league far longer than Sanchez and they are leading comparable offenses across the board. But you must be right, running the Pats offense is the only way to average 24 points per game.

 

as for the passing game -- so many of the short passes the Jets do call seem to be 5 yard outs. The risk factor on those is so high. A short out route doesn't usually fool a CB and doesn't allow for any YAC. Did they run any slant plays last night? How many balls did Sanchez have knocked down 5? I also don't recall seeing any RB screens or a bubble screen. The Pats live off of passes within 4 yards of the line of scrimmage and jets have weapons to do the same thing and get the defense on their heels.

 

Sanchez is always going to have passes knocked down at the line no matter how the plays are called, because he's kinda short. I think he's listed a little taller than he actually is.

 

This is where my frustration comes from.

Short routes - slants, outs and zigs - have their uses based on the coverages. In general, if the coverage is tight, quick out route will be very hard to complete (and so is quick slant). If you still want to go short, then you must go zig in that case - hard fake inside for 2 steps, then going all out. If the defender bites, it is out route. If he doesn't (sitting outside) then Sanchez should throw as if the route was slant. The WR should be watching the QB the whole time while faking inside, till the QB releases him - then he goes outside. If the area is cleared up (by outside flanker) and the inside defender bit on it, it's at least 15 to 20 yarder by YAC. If the defender didn't bite on it, it's still good for 4-6 yards. To guard against this, defender will have to back off a little, sitting in a zone. Then you turn the slants and outs loose.

Does Schotty call this? I don't think I've seen this route ever while Schotty called the plays with the Jets back from Pennington days. I've been crying out loud for this route - as the defenders were pretty content sitting on the route the WHOLE FUCKING TIME, and Schotty just refused to make them pay by calling passes straight into their lanes. This trend continued during the last game too. If you saw how Sanchez threw on the out route even when that street FA covered Braylon Edwards extremely tightly, you'd understand. If you see them covering up tight, make sure they pay by faking them. Does Schotty do this? NEVER. What was so frustrating was that, since Braylon Edwards is much larger receiver with strength, if that street FA is covering that tight, slant on his way could have worked wonders (contrary to most cases.) The CB was on top, waiting to lean outside - or that's what it looked like to me. Hard fake outside, and turn inside would give instant shielding for Edwards, no? I don't think I saw slant thrown at Braylon's direction this week. (Sanchez threw TD pass to Edwards on slant last week.) I have to wonder why.

Ok. This is second point. 1st and 10, from somewhere around the middle. The defense is stacking up the box - loading up on the strong side. Jets call, of course, run up the middle. 10 out of 10. NEVER a single variety. Big plays have their uses, and I do not endorse going big play action fake often on 1st down, but you need to call that once in a while, and also with a capable pass catcher in Tomlinson, you've got to try bubble screens after inducing the front 7 deep. Does Schotty do this? Very, VERY rarely, if at all. (Actually I think I saw a grand total of like 2 or 3 times this season so far.)

It is not that he does not have an option - he certainly has a LOT of it. Just he either ignores it, refuses it - whatever the fuck it is, HE DOES NOT UTILIZE IT. Now add stacking receivers in a near vicinity, giving Sanchez complex play that takes ungodly amount of time to develop, etc. Hell, I will have hard time getting into a groove with that kind of piss poor play calling too.

 

Actually Jets called enough slants. For instance... the TD pass to Santonio Holmes was a very well executed slant.