If anything, it might even be less tricky than a QB taking the snap. A QB can hand it off or fake the hand-off and throw it, etc. A RB in the WC takes the snap and either runs into the line or runs a sweep to the outside. There's really nothing tricky about it.
It's not part of the convetional offense, you take your QB either off the field or you split him wide. It's basically a triple option and in the NFL that's a trick formation. It's nothing more than a gimmick. It works from time to time but we are using it way too much. Brad Smith is a WR not a QB in the NFL, when you have a WR taking snaps it's a trick play.
Agreed. Schotty needs some guidelines with his play calling. Does anyone find it funny that Rex said he would have liked to run the ball more yesterday? You are the HEAD coach, so tell your assistant to call more runs. It's like he gives Schotty free reign to do what he pleases. I don't like that.
I agree with you, but technically Smith is a combo wideout/Qb. He's not either one or the other. He's listed as a wideout on the roster, but of course anyone who knows anything about him knows he was a Qb and can throw the ball. Having him take the snap, he can run, throw, hand off. It's not a trick play.
It's also terrible leadership to come out and say, yeah, the defense-which I'm most directly involved in-was great but the guys on offense screwed it up and the punter was an idiot for making the big run. You're undermining your own guys both to the outside world and within the organization, and you're showing that you're not in control of what's happening.
Perhaps if he goes back to that cute shit when the game isnt working out, that crap should only be used when our offense is being effective.
No, if the offense is working nicely there is no reason to trick anyone when you can just smash them in the face. Yesterday, the Jets were getting shut down and Schotty tried everything to get a spark.
Well the only times I recall his double reverses and shit working is when everything else was working as well, and in games where things arent going his way he just keeps trying anyway, just run the damn ball and commit to it he didnt try that yesterday, he tried his cute shit instead.
If the offense is still average by the end of the year...yes. I'm not a Schottenheimer fan, he's been here for a while now and this offense had never been near the top of anything except running the ball
Pats fan here. Too many trick plays from my perspective. Sanchez is a young QB. Let him function in a regular offense.
Schotty obviously told Sanchez to stop throwing to anyone that was covered by Charles Woodson, so it looked like players like Cotchery were forced into roles they otherwise might not have played in. That ball at the end of the game should have gone to Braylon, I don't care who was covering him. He's been hot lately. If you let them take your hottest current playmaker out of the game, then you're playing into their hands just as teams were playing into Rex's in 2009.
Schotty and his play-calling. Most of the time it is fucking atrocious. I've been one of the guys that have been on the fence for Schotty. I like what we saw of him on Hardknocks, I liked the relationship it showed he had with Rex and our QB Sanchez. I don't want him fired. At least not in the middle of the season. But I think a change needs to happen. He doesn't open up the playbook for this offense. There is no medium type plays or at least he doesn't call them often enough. They only come out in rare occasions and for what reason is beyond me. If he wants to keep pounding the ball to keep the defense honest and actually establish a ground game fine. I'm okay with that. Run the ball 2-3 times in a row for all I care. Very early in the game it was 3rd and 15 around mid-field, we may have even been in Detroit territory today and Schotty called a wr screen. Terrible play call. Take a damn shot 10+ yards down field. After that call that's when I knew it was gonna be another one of these type of games again. For the entire first quarter and most of the second quarter ALL we saw were quick five yard at the most slants, curls and out routes. That is it. Nothing more than 5 yards. It was all quick drop backs and sling that ball out of there. We didn't let Sanchez drop back, block for him, let the play develop and make a damn play. When we run play-action, when throw a deep ball once or twice, when we DO call those medium yardage type plays like we saw late in the game today then those 5 yard quick slants, outs and curls will open up and be there for Schotty to call all day long. But if all we do is run the ball twice and then call a dinky little dump play the defense is just gonna sit on those type of routes all day and not give Mark a window to throw. This is my opinon. Take it for what it is. But we really need to open up the playbook. The offense was fustrating today and it isn't on the players. It was the man calling the plays.
I always wonder does he ever get advise from his father Marty?Great coach in my opinion and should never have been let go from the Chargers!
I've always thought of Schottenheimer the same way people knock communism - 'it works in theory'. I'm sure he's a brilliant guy and draws-up plays that SHOULD work but ultimately fall short or aren't executed the way he expected. It's as if he sits at home with some game-tape and a notebook and creates elaborate passing routes with complex pre-snap motion that allows for receivers to get open. Once in a while it'll work but most of the time we as jet fans will watch a drive ensue and scratch our heads thinking, "what the hell just happened?" The Jets are a seriously talented team, we don't need trickery and complication to beat other teams, especially those like the Lions and Broncos who nearly handed the team a loss. I'm no offensive coordinator and won't pretend to be but I feel that the Jets would be much improved offensively if the gameplan was simpler and balanced in terms of passing length -- short/medium/long. It seems like every drive consists of run up the middle, 5 yard quick slant, draw, deep bomb, screen, or play-action bootleg. These are all fine plays but the order and timing at which they happen are moronic sometimes. Some examples that come to mind: Throwing a 40 yard pass to Braylon on a go-route on 3rd and short, screen pass on 3rd and long, draw play on 3rd and long, sending every receiver deep on second and short, double-reverse whenever, etc.. also, why is it that schottie tends to run pitches and outside runs for shonn greene while tomlinson runs up the middle? Feels like he's always trying to fool the defense but he ends up fooling himself. Give us ground & pound, don't give up on it. Run the short passing plays in conjuction with the play-action bomb down the sideline, but this team desperately lacks completions in the realm of 10-30 yards (w/out YAC). Sanchez and crew have shown greatness in hurry-up mode and 2-minute offense, times where Schottie's heavily-tinkered with playcalling gets boiled down to: move the ball down the field efficiently without all the bullshit. I think that speaks for something. Brian, good luck to you and I hope you get that coaching job in the future, I just think that you're body of work as an offensive coordinator here is something I totally agree with.
I'm annoyed that the Jets 2 best defensive games (pts allowed) came in their only two losses: Green Bay 9 - Jets 0 Baltimore 10 - Jets 9 Any other team would have won those without a guy like schottenheimer shooting his own team in the foot.
