Overall, this game had more to do with poor play then with with poor play calling. Receivers dropping the ball, receivers not possessing the ball, receivers not getting open, lineman not blocking in key passing downs. I do not care who the offensive coordinator is, poor execution by our offense equals a lost. Another strong day by the defense wasted. I hope this serves as a wake up call for the team. You cannot go out there on the field sleepwalking and think you can win just because you have the word "Jets" on your helmet. Each man has to play hard in the NFL for your team to win week-to-week.
Dom Capers fucking OWNED Shottenheimer today. You have to have severe doubts, especially after the last 3 games, with the idea of winning a championship with this guy running the offense.
Wow, it's the same dumbasses making the same stupid threads every week. I was at the game in a nice comfy luxury box, and got a great view of everything. Schottenheimer had some bad play-calls, but so does every Offensive Coordinator in this league. For the last freakin time, not every play is going to go for a first down. Some plays fail. Deal with it retards! We all knew that the offense would probably throw more than run (I even mentioned it in the prediction thread). Sure, Green Bay had a banged up front seven. But guess what? They put 8 into the box and played press coverage for most of the game. This was almost identical to the Denver game, as well as every game with Sanchez at QB for the last year-and-a-half. Teams stack up the front and dare Sanchez to beat them. As a result of this philosophy, LT averaged 3.4 yards and Greene averaged 3.7 yards today. This forced the offense to throw more than pass because the receivers were getting 1-on-1's. Sanchez was throwing the ball high and inaccurately. He was throwing the ball late, and kept checking down. Cotchery and Holmes dropped some wide open passes. We had 3 turnovers, 2 of them were freak turnovers. We had many drive-killing penalties. This is why we lost. Sure, Schotty called 4-5 trick plays in the game. Aside from the double-revers, they all went for good yardage. The 3rd and 8 pass near the end of the game was a zone-busting streak play. A lot of teams like this play because it confuses corners when they play zone and have 2 wide receivers running at them. I would of rather had a shorter play-call, but obviously Schotty thought it was the right time to call a zone-buster. The play didn't work. Deal with it. We had all game to score. Blaming the entire game on one play at the end, or one trick play out of 4 or 5 that didn't work is what same old jet fans do. This game is on the QB and WR's, who could not execute.
With one on one coverage all day and a lot of time most of the game how come we didn't see guys wide open? Bad route runners, bad offensive plan, bad reads by QB or great defense? I'm beginning to suspect offensive plan and QB... (Not that the receivers didn't drop a bunch today, but they were rarely wide open and running in space..)
Capers is a hellva defensive mind......he knew the key to the games was stop the Jet's running game and let Sanchez and the receivers beat the Pack.
As usual, people are overreacting to some things and underplaying others. I was at the game today and here are my thoughts, for what it is worth. Why did the Jets lose today? In a sport where games are decided by a few plays, dozens went bad today. First and foremost, there were about 8 dropped passes. Holmes dropped two, one of which was a first down in the first quarter and the other, at the beginning of the second half, would have been a touchdown. Cotchery dropped at least three - all of which were first downs and one would have been a huge gain. Both Greene and LT dropped screen passes that were wide open. Then you had the two interceptions that weren't - plays when the Jets receivers caught the ball hit the ground and had it taken away. In a game that was really a one score game all day, any of those potential catches, if made, could and should have led to points. Second, was the playcalling. Sanchez is not at a point in his career where he should be throwing 30+ passes a game unless the Jets are trailing by a bunch - not three points. The Jets need to run even when it is not there. Eventually something pops and it sets up the pass. Sanchez is not ready to carry this team yet, and he was asked to do that today on a day that was not ideal for passing (see Rodgers' stellar numbers). Plus, there is just too much cute playcalling going on here. Why in a game like this are the Jets running reverses and RB option passes and all kinds of trick plays, switching side with tackles etc. Why a wildcat on 2nd and 15? Why bombs to the end zone in the fourth quarter on 3rd and 4th down and 8 in plus territory and plenty of time left? It was awful. Just hand the ball off, pick up first downs, and put Sanchez in a position to succeed by having him throw on first down and not 2nd and 3rd and long. Third, the referees. Those interception calls were absurd. All my life I have heard that dual possession goes to the receiver. I don't even think those were dual possession plays. Keller clearly had the ball until he hit the ground. Cotchery had dual possession at least until he hit the ground. Those calls were both critical and absolutely brutal. This crew had a horrible game. Then you throw in that every time the Jets got close to the red zone, they were hit with a holiding penalty. It's not so much that I deny the Jets were holding, but I saw numerous times that the Pack OL was holding and it was not called. Special teams. Folk and Weatherford have both had incredible seasons, but today both made critical mistakes today. Weatherford should have never tried the fake punt. Folk missed a key field goal. Again, two big plays in a game that was 3-0 most of the game. Ryan. There was no reason to challenge the first interception. The Jets had to punt anyway even if the challenge was successful. The challenge should have been kept to use on the Keller catch that was ruled a pick. Keller was clearly on the ground with the ball. Who was not at fault. Sanchez. He is taking far too much blame for this game. I have seen this for years on this board and it makes me think that the typical Jets fan is not as knowledgeable as made out to be. He was not sharp today, but you add the drops as receptions and take away the two BS picks and he has a day that is something like 27 for 38 for 350 yards and a score. If the drops are catches and the picks are catches, the Jets likely put up 10 or more points and win this game.
It was more like 3.5. That's still not that bad, especially on only 22 carries and without breaking any big runs.
That reverse play was brutal. In addition to it being a stupid play call why run a reverse with your slowest WR? Schitty just overthinks everything. Yes, they will never expect you to run a reverse with Cotchery but there is reason why why they and everyone else would not expect it.
You tell me 1-10-NYJ 18 (13:20) 21-L.Tomlinson left guard to NYJ 23 for 5 yards (58-F.Zombo). 1-10-NYJ 14 (11:30) 21-L.Tomlinson left guard to NYJ 18 for 4 yards (26-C.Peprah, 58-F.Zombo). 1-10-NYJ 30 (4:32) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to NYJ 33 for 3 yards (21-C.Woodson). # 1-10-NYJ 46 (3:09) PENALTY on NYJ-67-D.Woody, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NYJ 46 - No Play. # 1-15-NYJ 41 (2:10) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to NYJ 46 for 5 yards (50-A.Hawk, 38-T.Williams). 1-10-NYJ 22 (10:29) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to NYJ 30 for 8 yards (52-C.Matthews). 1-10-NYJ 34 (9:19) 21-L.Tomlinson right end to NYJ 36 for 2 yards (50-A.Hawk). 1-20-NYJ 48 (6:17) 23-S.Greene left guard to 50 for 2 yards (55-D.Bishop, 98-C.Wilson). 1-10-GB 48 (14:51) 21-L.Tomlinson left tackle to GB 45 for 3 yards (58-F.Zombo, 98-C.Wilson). 1-10-GB 28 (5:36) 23-S.Greene right tackle to GB 20 for 8 yards (26-C.Peprah). 1-10-GB 48 (12:59) 23-S.Greene left guard to GB 44 for 4 yards (26-C.Peprah, 52-C.Matthews). 1-10-NYJ 23 (3:50) 21-L.Tomlinson right tackle to NYJ 28 for 5 yards (90-B.Raji, 50-A.Hawk).
Yet another example of Schitty overthinking things. Running off tackle is the way to to let a smaller defense are one lacking d-line depth off the hook. We ran too many off tackle and toss plays. We needed to test that d-line rotation and we never did.
Guess so. The running game still sucked a fat one today. The offensive line as a whole sucked a fat one today is more like it.
What I responded to was: That is different than LT and Greene getting stuffed for 3 or less yards on first down. Not to mention getting 2-3 yards on first down does not mean that the running game is getting stuffed. 2-3 yards is 10 times better than a incompletion or turnover.
The running game as a whole got stuffed today. My impression from the game was that the got stuffed a lot more on first down but someone just showed me I was wrong about that. You can't show me anything that will change my mind on the running game getting stuffed as a whole.
I love the fire schotty threads al the time. Yanks and Mets lost? Fire schotty. Knicks can't hold a nine pt lead with 3 minutes left? Fire Schotty. If someone can tell me what Schotty had to do with any of the following I would love to hear it. 1. Fake punt at your own 20 that gives GB excellent field position for an easy FG 2. Greene dropping an screen pass that would have went for 30. 3. Sanchez missing Braylon downfield by himself that would have been a TD 4. Nick Mangolds hold that killed a drive 5. Folk missing a FG 6. Cotchery dropping everything thrown to him today. 7. Brad Smith fumbling. 8 Cotchery and Keller being out fought for the ball that ended in 2 INTs 9. Holmes dropping a ball that would have gone for 30 yards at least, maybe a score. 10. Offensive line not doing shit all day in the run game, making Green Bay's battered up defense look like the Steel Fucking Curtain with 2 DL. People are making it sound like when they ran the ball they were running at 8 yards a clip. Then if we kept doing that and got the same result, everyone would say "Schotty is so damn conservative, why didnt they throw the ball" Well he did and the WR and the QB couldnt make a fucking play to save their lives. 11. NOT punting on 4th and 8 that would have pinned GB deep. 12. Burning all challenges in the first half on plays that were never going to be reversed. 13. Burning all 3 time outs with 4 minutes left for no reason at all. Could have used those on the last attempted drive.......made no freaking sense. 14. Keller totally missing a block that would have sprung a huge play on a play that went right as the defender blows right past him (don't remember who had the ball but would have went for another 20 yards.) 15. Stupid Reverse play call with Cotchery and LT If your answer was # 15, you win. Schotty has had some bad days, but please everyone stop blaming him for every damn thing this team does wrong. This goes to the HC and the players on offense.
