Holy shit, I said "would it help if Sanchez was more accurate on deep throws. Can't argue with that." What else can I say, I agree that if he improves on it, it can't hurt. But to say the Jets would blow teams out if he did. I just don't buy that aspect of it. I am agreeing with part of your logic.
Nevermind? Could with would. Whatever. To assume a deep bomb vs. a 2 yard TD would make the game a blowout? ....this is going nowhere.
And everyone else's point is that the specific area you are mentioning that needs improvement is the most difficult area for every NFL team. It would be nice if 75% of the deep balls that Sanchez throws are right on the money, that would also make him a top 3 quarterback. Your "tiny adjustment" isn't tiny at all and it isn't something that can be improved significantly in between games. It's something that has so many other factors besides the ability of Sanchez to get an accurate ball out his hand that even if they spent the entire bye week on it there would be no guarantee of it getting any better. There are many more fundamental things that could be worked on that would result in a greater net improvement for the offense than seeing more and better deep balls. The short and quick passing game is an area I would focus on before looking to improve on the big plays. Big plays are products of executing the base offense in an efficient manner.
As far as the blowing people out argument, I think improving completion percentage could go a long way towards achieving that goal. That keeps the offense on the field longer and gives us more opportunities to score. I think that may actually be more effective in "blowing teams out" than hitting a long bomb once a game.
Sustained 7 minute drives demoralize/wear out opposing defenses a lot more than 90-second bomb drives. They put our D back on the field quicker too. They're great to have, fun to watch, and win lots of Madden games. But they're not all good either.
Well done. Great post. I wish I could have worded my viewpoint better. But I think at this point Uzone and I just see things differently. And that is fine.
That play where he threaded the ball on a timing route to Keller in the end zone (blind and between two defenders) for a TD?.... that's a lot tougher throw than leading your reciever on a deep route and hoping he runs under it. It's a low percentage pass because the DB's are typically all over the reciever and often get help from the FS not because it's a particularly tough throw.
Can't argue the point about keeping the D fresh....but quick strike TD's are arguably just as demoralizing, and have an even more dramatic effect on offense as far as keeping the guys fresh, keeping them loose and confident etc. You come out and scorch a defense for a quick 6 to start the game, and now the ball control offense becomes even more terrifying when these guys are thinking in the back of their minds that you can come over the top on them at any time.
It's a low percentage pass because deep routes take a long time to develop and the quarterback isn't generally throwing from a totally clean pocket. The reason your not gonna see perfect deep balls very often isn't just because DB's are usually all over the route. You are asking the QB to throw the ball further down field than normal while standing right in the face of pressure. There are so many factors that you are refusing to consider on the deep balls that this discussion really can't move forward. We would all love to see Sanchez throw an 80 yard bomb every week but that isn't realistic so it would be more prudent to attempt to improve an area that can directly lead to more wins and even more big plays
1. It is NOT that simple. Deep ball offenses never fare well come playoff time. Moreover, the reason you give is specifically why you want a ball-control offense, to keep the defense as fresh as possible. You don't do that with a quick strike offense. Most importantly, the most important thing for any potent offense is the high red-zone efficiency, not the quick-strike capability. Jets will actually blow a lot of teams out simply by improving their red-zone efficiency. (i.e. Remember the Vikings game?) If your argument was about using the personnel mismatch to improve red-zone efficiency, then I couldn't have agreed more. Case in point? Jets have kicked PAT 16 times, and kicked FG 13 times from 0~39 yard range. If you consider that some TDs came from the defensive turnovers, and a few from huge Braylon bombs out of the red-zone, this means Jets are scoring less than 50% from inside the red zone. This is actually very critical in my eyes. Even more critical than the ability to hit the home run balls. When the offense enters the red zone, it must make sure it scores TD more often than not. Less than 50% doesn't look like an impressive stat to me, no matter how proficient Jets are at scoring. Just look at the Vikings game. Rains and whatnot, still getting 0/5 after starting in a short field position is simply inexcusable. This is, in a nutshell, what triggered Favre comeback late in the game. If Jets put away 2 of these, the game is over by the end of 3rd quarter. 2. Sanchez would do much better to improve his completion ratio. He needs to raise it up to 65% to say the very least. I can live with 60% (call me spoiled kid. I know... 60% completion ratio came only after WCO and whatnot) but completing less than 60% with all the dinking and dunking, then taking erratic shot down the field is not acceptable. Improving the completion ratio will actually go a LONG way in improving the offensive performance as well.
I just read through this thread, some of those "deep ball" arguments are just ridiculous. All I see is someone complaining that our touchdown passes don't look cooler.
You know what I'm pissed about? How come none of our receivers make awesome one-handed grabs like Garcon did for Manning on Sunday??? Imagine how much more awesome and demoralizing our offense would be if our dumb receivers just worked on their one-handed circus grabs (but for touchdowns mind you).
We can only see the one handed grabs if Sanchez lays it out a little bit further. That's all I'm saying.
*mask breath* the sarcasm is strong with this one....touche' Ok tell you guys what...the concensus seems to be that Sanchez could use some improvement on his overall acuracey....raising it from say 55'ish to say 60'ish..... By default that would include the long ball.....I'll take it..... you guys win da thread. :beer:
You obviously ignored my post. Raising the completion ratio was but a small thing. Jets are not scoring TDs enough from the red zone. This should be a red-flag for anyone. And... what does high red-zone efficiency mean? Yes. DEEP BALL IS NOT A PREREQUISITE IN POWERFUL OFFENSE.
Sanchez Code: Type Number Pct of Incomp Pct of Overall Attempts [B]Pass Dropped 11 13.9 6.2[/B] [B]Poor Throw 38 48.1 21.5[/B] Pass Defensed 19 24.1 10.7 Pass Hit at Line 6 7.6 3.4 Other 4 5.1 2.3 Intercepted 2 2.5 1.1 For what it is worth http://hosted.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=2010&range=NFL&rank=039&type=Passing
