Vernon is not and never will be a bust. Ryan leaf and Jamarcus russel are busts. At the least, vernon will be a rotational guy in this league for years to come. Hopefully he starts producing a bit more. Honestly, he is slowly getting better and seems to be contributing this year. Give this guy another year and he could turn into something.
You don't draft a guy #6 overall to be a rotational guy, and even when he is rotated in he very rarely makes an impact. Gholston is just as much of a bust as Russell only he isn't stupid enough to hold out and not cooperate with the team, and he hasn't gotten caught chugging cough syrup.
The argument that Gholston is making improvements is such BS. The only reason the Jets still have him on their roster is because of his contract and the fact that he was such a highly rated pick they need to try to save some face and not overtly admit that he's awful. Any other guy without his contract and draft position would've been cut a long time ago, plain and simple. That fake Favre put on him Monday night was laughable. A 41 yr old creaky QB juked Vernon right out of his j*ck. Pathetic. This guy adds nothing to this team and is wasting a roster spot for a more valuable player.
I really do not understand why anyone would waste his or her time talking about Vernon Gholston at this point. Is he a bust when you consider where he was drafted and the money he got paid? I would say yes, but honestly, who cares? The team doesn't desperately need Gholston to be that guy some people envisioned he could be. Would he have made us better? Of course. It would have been great, but it simply didn't happen (and it is strongly looking like it never will happen). He is filling in just fine in the role he's got now, and going forward, I'm sure the Jets will probably cut or release him down the road if it is in the best interest of the team. The important thing is...the team is winning, and he has not been a liability on the field. So, what the hell does it matter?
I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere on here that the majority of his contract is paid, and I think he also agreed to restructure his contract for less money during the Revis saga. The Favre thing was hilarious I've lost hope that the Ghost will ever meet expectations prior to the draft.
Which valuable player are you talking about exactly? I don't buy this at all. Knowing how much they have invested into this year, I doubt the Jets would allow Vernon Gholston to prevent them from adding this hypothetical "more valuable player."
People tend to analyze things on this forum, and respond to each other. You could take this attitude for many things. After a big loss people are talking about why we lost it would be easy to say "Well we already lost what does it matter?" The seemingly pointless discussion is just the nature of a message board since we are all here because we are most likely bored anyway.
Any player whose worth his salt on the field is a "more valuable player" than Gholston. How long do you want to keep investing in Gholston without a real return on the field? That is what he's giving this team right now. You need to cut your losses and move on and not let the emotional ties, or whatever your reasons are, you obviously have to Gholston overshadow his gross lack of production.
I was all for patience and giving him a chance but time has run out on him. He had his shot and it's never gonna happen for him. If he can give the DE's a bit of a rest and take 10-15 snaps a game and not be a liability out there the rest of the season then I'm fine with that but to hold out any hope that it's ever gonna click for him is pointless. He's done after this season.
Someone tell me how Vlad is a 'project' and Gholston is not, when they played the same amount of football prior to being drafted, and Gholston has played multiple positions (OG,DL,LB) including at the professional level...whereas Vlad has always played OL. Vern needs two things consistency of expectation, and snaps. However...the Jets should play him enough to get 6 sacks, then trade him to a 4/3 team. He'd be a double digit sack guy on our co-tenants team.
Gholston is almost certainly a bust but this thread is still a fail. First of all he wasn't a workout warrior. He had a very productive college career and was projected to go top 10 by many prior to the combine. Second, you can't look the stats of a rookie season and declare someone a bust. I don't care if his guess turned out right, the reasoning was stupid.
When the time comes, I'm sure the team will do just that and cut their losses, but just because he is on this roster currently, it doesn't mean he is hindering the team from doing other things which is what you suggested. I don't buy that they would allow Gholston's situation to impact them from going out and getting another more valuable player. In fact, they just added a guy two weeks ago who basically is playing a very similar role to Gholston in Trevor Pryce. The Jets didn't hesitate and went out and got him. If there was someone else out there like that, they will do the same.
You're still not addressing what Gholston brings to the team regardless of whomever else they sign. When the times comes? When is that time in your eyes? He hasn't done sh*t on the field and guys like that don't hang around NFL rosters for a long time. Why is VG still on the team?
I'm pretty sure I understand the idea behind a message board. The point I was trying to get at is that this guy is basically irrelevant to anything that this team is doing right now. He isn't worth talking about. A big loss? That IS worth talking about. Gholston is a bust (considering what many thought he could or would be)....we know this. However, as I said, his role basically makes him irrelevant now.
I agree. Best case is that he provides some production in a limited role. I just don't think it's ever going to happen for him. Sometimes you swing and miss on a draft pick and the Jets whiffed badly on this one. The upside is that they have had more hits than misses in recent drafts and they've managed to put a decent team on the field despite this one wasted pick. Sometimes picking at the top of a draft is more of a curse than a blessing. There just were not a lot of guys who made sense once that 6th pick came around. In hindsight, trading down was probably the answer but maybe they tried and couldn't find any takers. Other than that, the only picks that would have made sense at #6 are either Leodis McKelvin or Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Gholston has been playing alright.. nothing special, but he's not a "bad" player. He holds up at the point of attack, occasionally pushes the pocket a little, etc. He doesn't hurt the team. But the problem is he's a top 10 pick and makes a ton of money. If he was an undrafted FA we'd be saying it was a coup by Tannenbaum to find a role player after the draft. But that's just it, he's not an undrafted FA and isn't supposed to be a role player.. he was expected to be so much more and is being paid to be a star. He will almost definitely not be on the team next year.
If he's irrelevant as you say then in my book that doesn't make him worthy of a roster spot. Why would we waste that spot on an irrelevant member of our team.
We both know that anyone can handle the duties of a special teams player. I'm not sold on the 4-3 point having watched this guy for 3 years now but maybe.
