You keep saying this. Could you please be specific as to what you feel we could have traded? I'll give you a specific trade that would have worked out value wise. Let's say we tried to trade back into Day 2 using NEXT year's picks. We took him with the 8th pick of the 5th round, using Leon Washington and our 7th rounder to move back into that spot. The difference in value, which we can attribute to Leon, is 35 points, which equates to an early-mid 5th round pick. Now, as we all know, future draft picks are devalued by a full round. In other words, a future 5th has the same value as a current 6th. So, to get that early-mid 5th, it would take an early-mid 4th next year as the baseline to start seeking a trade. In all likelihood, a team in the early 5th isn't going to want the prospect of a late 4th, which would seem the most likely position for the Jets to be drafting in next year. They'd push for a 3rd rounder. Now, we used our 3rd rounder next year on Cromartie, although it could elevate to a 2nd rounder based on his PT. Had we given up our future 3rd for Conner, however, that pick for Cromartie would AUTOMATICALLY elevate to a 2nd. We'd suddenly be looking at a draft next year in which we had a 1st round pick and nothing else until the 4th round, all because we wanted to take a gamble on Leon for this season, knowing that we'd lose him after, and hope that we could squeeze 80 solid carries and marginally better KOR out of him. Is that what you had in mind? If not, which player would you have preferred to trade away?
Well said, brother. If you're gonna gripe about the pick, at least explain what you would have done and who you would have taken.
.....But its so much easier to bitch and whine without facts clouding up how much smarter you are than the rest of the board.
I wish we had Leon. He could have taken away some of the carries from LT and ran 10 yards himself on 4 carries. LT would that those 10 yards on one carry, but how do u milk the clock then? 2.6 yards a carry is outstanding!
You are posting this in multiple threads now- he was NOT going to get Jones-Drew money especially coming off that injury so the whole premise of your post in incorrect. It's not very difficult to acquire a 5th rd pick. AGAIN, had we kept the 4th rounder we could have used that to move back if we wanted to and we don't lose any next year's picks and we get additional pick(s). There could have been a million scenarios, this is not like moving up to the top of round 1.
junc, you've got to be kidding. It's widely acknowledged that Gholston was Mangini's pick. And Favre?!?!?!?!? AYFKM? Talk about revisionist history.... Sitting at 8-3, the Favre move was brilliant. Failure to manage the arm injury late (a coaching issue) is what killed that season. (You know..things like going into Seattle against an undersized D in bad weather and not running the football) And going one step further. No Favre, we probably win 9 or 10 with ChinaDoll Chad. Mangini does NOT get fired, We don't get Rex. Or Sanchez, or Edwards.... There is ZERO downside from the Favre acquisition from Tannenbaums perspective.
Widely acknowledged? Tannenbaum took the blame himself. Fvare was awful most of the year, we should have been 10-2 at the time we were 8-3. he had a very good 3-4 game stretch which ended w/ the great win at Ten then he absolutely killed us down the stretch and cost us a chance to win only our 3rd ever AFC East title. B/c of that trdae we fired Mangini, hired Rex and got sanchez so good came out of it but the trdae itself and why it was made was a total failure other than jersey sales. Chad won 11 w/ a much less talented team than favre won 9 w/, w/ Chad we win at least 11-12 games but let's not get into that discussion.
Ted Ginn Jr ran back two kicks in one game last season Also contributed zilch as a pass receiver and would have been fourth string this season behind Marshall, Hartline and Bess Great job by Tanny NOT to pay FIRST STRING money for a third string running back behind Greene and LT who would have only been useful as a kick returner. Besides, Brad Smith not only returns kicks well (major factor last week) but also runs the wildtiger better than Leon ever did, catches passes and runs reverses. Thank you Tanny
You are comapring Ginn to leon? Leon has been our best playmaker for years, leon was a consistent threat on STs and in the offense, Ginn had one fluke game against us.
Of Course he did. That's called being a stand up guy, and not throwing someone under the bus. I agree we'd have won at east 10 with CDC, BUT...that's hinges on his not getting hurt. Even with our line Favre sustained an arm injury that dragged him down in the stretch. But you can't make the case that he was awful through 11 games all things considered.
It's amazing that our team is on the verge of going 3-1 and we're sitting here crying about Leon being traded. HE WAS LOVED. HE'S GONE. GET OVER IT.
He's the GM, he has final say. he didn't pull a Parcells and tell everyone Al groh was making the decisions in 2000 then a few years later after those moves worked out he took credit for them. There were unsubstantiated reports about it being mangini's fault, there were also reports Mangini didn't want Favre. Favre has made his career on playing through pain, I don't buy any excuse. he supposedly hurt that arm in october, why did it all of a sudden begin affecting him against denver in late November?
my point about Ginn is that like Leon if he were still a Jet this year, his ONLY use would have been as a kick returner as it is with the Seahawks. And since Brad Smith is a capable kick returner, handles the wildcat more efficiently than Leon did, it would have made no sense to pay starter bucks to Leon to be a kick returner
Leon had to go, as much as I loved him he had to go. His time was up here. I'm happy for Him but he is a KR & nothing more.
So, you would keep the 4th, keep Leon for ONE season, and lose out on a potential replacement? As has been said, McKnight was a potential Round 2 talent who slipped into the 4th. His ceiling is unbelievably high, and he's on the roster for MULTIPLE seasons at a very reasonable price. Either way, you're sacrificing something by keeping Leon. Feel free to argue that you feel the value was HIGHER to keep Leon, but it's absolutely foolish to insist that we traded him for NOTHING.
