He might not return actually. I never thought of that until this thread. I am starting to hate him, I am sure many other fans are. Maybe Rex and the players are. Tanny surely is, at least his agents. Bridges are being burned, no doubt. If he signs soon though (before Tuesday) all will be forgiven in my books.
Yea what the fuck. I am kinda po'd at him too but this is the year for us. I would rather give up some opportunity down the road, get him onboard right now and take our chances. Hindsight will tell the truth of course, but we need that greedy bastard right now.
David Harris made comments about that when interviews on SNY. He was asked why didn't he holdout, and he basically said what good would that do. I loved it
Except when Bailey got traded he was NOT under contract at all. His contract expired and he refused to play for the skins. So their options were either trade him or get shit for him. The Revis situation is quite different being that the jets have absolutely no NEED to cave in to his demands. Not to mention im pretty sure when Bailey got traded every single person on the face of the planet thought the Redskins got raped. Thats why ya cant really use things that either the Skins or Raiders do in an argument .
But the concept and main point still remains that a CB will not get more compensation than a QB. Its not going to happen, if it does, that GM is going to get fired.
I thought this today. I am glad I am not Tanny. I had a moment where I just felt like caving in made the most sense. Give him 10 years, $160 million. Whatever it takes. We can't keep LT, Santonio, Braylon, Jason Taylor, Cromartie, etc forever. This is our window. Pay the price in the future. Its crazy, but I want Revis with the team.
Well, after today's comments, any little thought that the Jets might cave are definitely gone. Either he signs for a reasonable amount or he sits. I honestly thought there was no f'n way he would sit, but I also thought there was no way he would miss the preseason either. No clue here, man.
Assuming skill is equal I agree not even close. the skill difference between Revis and Cutler is staggering though. Hell look at Brandon Marshall. 1) the guy is a massive shithead 2) the guy is a team cancer and 3) the guy has serious serious moral/ethical/legal issues and he was able to fetch 2 2nd round picks. And that is when his contract had expired for his team so they were desperate to trade him and he isnt even remotely close to as dominant at his position as Revis is. And Miami was risking two second rounders (pretty early ones too I believe) for a guy who is on the brink of ending up in prison or full season suspensions. Now were talking about a guy who has no character flaws at all (other than wanting money), no legal problems, a great leader, and oh is easily the most dominant defensive player in the nfl by faaaaaar and still hasnt peaked yet. And being that he is under contract for 3 more years his team has absolutely ZERO sense of urgency in trading him at all. I can guarantee that Revis would be traded for nothing less than two 1st round picks and two 2nd round picks for Revis and maybe 2 mid round picks (4th/5th) The circumstances are just that much different. Not to mention the nfl has become a much much greater passing favored league now than it was in 04. Guys like Brees/Brady/Rodgers/Rivers were nobodies still and the nfl still had some sense of balance on offense. Now the game is almost completely about how well you can throw the ball and how well you can stop it from being thrown, so the value of corners imho has gone up substantially since Baileys incredibly lobsided trade in 04. (and hey ya never know with Tanny behind the helm we could end up on the winning side of the next Herschel-Walker trade)
Revis trade talks make no sense either though. Like you say dcm, he would command at least 2 1st round picks probably. Signing those guys will be more expensive than Revis will be probably. Didn't the Browns' CB get $10 million a year? If so, Revis needs to be paid.
Well at least 2 first round picks is more than probably thats less than an absolute minimum. But it would completely depend on where the picks are. If we got just 2 first rounders theyd have to be top 10 picks in which case the players would almost definitely make at least 10 million a year. If were talking guys towards the end of the first round theyll make far less. I think Kyle Wilson gets a maximum of 13 million over 5 years ? If that sounds right. Either way the only options are a massively lopsided trade (in our favor) or hes a jet
There are some zany ideas in this thread. If I was the general manager of an NFL team, and I spent two first round picks, two second round picks and 16.2 million dollars a year on a cornerback, I wouldn't bother waiting to get fired, I'd just hand in my resignation as soon as the deal was done. Why? Because those are the kind of deals that cripple a franchise for a decade. I wouldn't be able to sign any free agents because Revis dominates the salary cap and I wouldn't be able to add any blue-chip draft picks. I'd be non-competitive within three years, regardless of the talent level at the time of the trade. You can't risk crippling your franchise over a cornerback.
Right now I'm in favor of trading him to any time willing to give two 1st round picks (2011 & 2012) and a conditional 4th round pick which could be elivated to as high as a 3rd round pick in 2011 if he makes the probowl this season. So any team out there willing to give this to the Jets and $160 million to him can have him. Otherwise let him sit on his ass and get older, slower and broke! What it would cost to have him play play for your team would be something like: 2011 1st round pick 2011 3rd round pick 2012 1st round pick $160 million for ten year contract with $40 million garruanteed. Who here would not trade this selfish moron for that deal?
I think a Revis deal is going to be very hard to pull off until he decides that playing and earning is better than holding out and moping. If he gets to that point he may well just sign a reasonable deal with the Jets instead of having to relocate somewhere else of the Jets choosing. I keep looking at the situation and coming back to one of two conclusions at this point: 1. This holdout was Revis's idea, in which case he really misunderstood what kind of leverage he had and where this was going to go. 2. This holdout was his agent's idea, in which case he should fire them post-haste and get new representation that understands that holdouts are last resorts and only to be used when the player has a viable plan B or is prepared to walk away if his demands are not met. It's likely one of those two situations, both of which require some major recalibration on Revis's part because his bargaining position is narrowing rapidly and now nearly completely dependent on things out of his control.
Who knows. The idiot Mevis and his idiot agents are not thinking rationally. Part of me hopes he holds out and fucks himself. But of course I'd prefer that he return and help us win the Super Bowl. I am really starting to hate Mevis.
I would take a lesser amount of picks, maybe a 1 and two 2's, but I want to ship him to TB or Rams....have him find an island in last place!
Youd get fired only if it blew up in your face. Put it this way how many teams instantly win one if not many superbowls if they make that trade ? Ravens/Chargers/Colts/Pats/Steelers/Packers/Vikings/Saints who would all win SEVERAL superbowls and likely become historic dynasties and then you got the brink teams like Texans/Titans/49ers/nfc east who have no realistic shot at the superbowl right now and suddenly have a shot at shocking the world. Absolutely in 6-10 years these teams would feel the pain from making a trade like that, but theyd be virtually guaranteeing themselves a superbowl. And for some of those franchies (cough cough Texans) I think itd be worth it. I mean if you got the opprotunity to virtually guarantee yourself a superbowl and multiple Superbowl appearances at the cost of having a few rough seasons thats not too bad a deal. Especially since draft picks arent always gonna work out. Figure out of those 4 picks in the first 2 rounds at least one of them has to be a bust and another likely mediocre at best. Im not saying its likely to happen but I dont think its impossible either.
Agreed, let him be like Aso, make a shit load of money on a shitty team. Yep whether two 1st and a 3rd or just one 1st and two 2nds, they both would be fine with me. I can't believe I was so high on this f*ck until a month ago.
