I agree that sometimes setting up a TD opporuntity can be as big but the best WRs can score from anywhere. In Chrebet's 3 8+ TD seasons the distances were: 1998(8): 6, 8, 12, 63, 36, 21, 12, 7 2000(8): 2, 28, 18, 10, 24, 10, 11, 5 2002(9): 18, 8, 15, 4, 13, 5, 15, 12, 18 Of those 25 Tds only 8 were under 10 yds Welkers 16 career TDs: 6, 11, 35, 12, 14, 16, 2, 3, 2, 6, 13, 11, 8, 30, 5, 14 of these 16 TDs 7 were under 10 yds
Moss is not a focus when we play them bc we lock him down with Revis. Welker thus becomess the focus yet he still has production when he plays us.
Generally b/c we keep our best corner on Moss(though I think Revis and Welker matched up in that Monday Night OT game 2 years ago and in that game we had 2 guys on Moss at all times. Welker has had 2 really good games against us in 9 tries so the production isn't always there against us but he did tear us apart last game. I admire the heck out of Welker, he's an excellent player he just doesn't belong in that top tier group w/ guys like Moss(when he tries), johnson, Fitz, etc...
why do you think it is difficult to score in the red zone? because the field gets smaller and there is less room to operate. that's exactly what makes WR TD's a completely legitimate factor to judge a WR by -- the ability to get open and beat a defender in such a small space. I'm not sure what about that aspect of football you are attempting to diminish, but it certainly doesn't reflect the reality of the game.
I guarantee Brady is still looking for Moss but he isn't open. but the important aspect of this dynamic isn't who is the Pats focus, it is who is the Jets focus, and Moss is the Jets focus, thus why Welker is able to be productive. or else we would put Revis on Welker and take our chance with Moss. but like every other team in the league, we will take our chance with him turning a 4 yard catch and tackling him rather than letting Moss burn us deep for TD's all game. that' why Welker isn't a great receiver in the sense of how receivers are judged -- because teams are conceding him catches while trying to stop someone else.
Chris Carter...C'mon maaayn!!!! I have to give credit to a guy like Welker, not the biggest and strongest guy out there, but on a third and 5 he'll be the one to go over the middle and get HAMMERED by some 250lb Linebacker closing in at top speed...and he'll make the catch. Brandon Stokely, Wes Welker, Wayne Crebet back in the day...blue collar receivers, and damn good players.
Like everyone said he is a great slot receiver, which hopefully when Revis comes back we put him on Welker and not Moss. But he is essentially the WR version of Kevin Faulk, good hands for short routes, knows how to use his agility to get first downs.
Mangini had Revis on Welker for a lot of the Foxboro 2008 game and it was a huge reason we won. But I think Rex's master plan was to school Wilson in the role of bubble screen buster and general slot destroyer with Welker in mind. I think early on (assuming Darrelle ever wears a Jets uni again) we may see Revis on him though.
I hate the Patriots just as much as i hate Brady's new hairdo...But Welker is one of the top 10 receivers in the league. The guy constantly makes catches and always moves the chain's. Even though he doesn't catch that many TD's...Does anyone remember what a lot of people used to say about Carter? There was a Top 10 Receivers show on NFL network, and when they got to Cris Carter, a lot of people said that "He was only good for catching TD's. Maybe he's hating on him because he does some of the things that Carter didn't do? IMO!
no, that was the knock on Cris Carter in Philly, and then the show went on to show how that was false, thus Cris Carter did everything. not sure how you missed that basic point of the entire Cris Carter segment.
It is possible for Murrell2878 to enjoy his life and still be annoyed at the number of people who cannot correctly spell a famous NFL player's four letter first name.
Which one? The A's player? The Mets player? The creator of The X-Files? Why should we care what any of them have to say about wide receivers?
I normally think Chris Carter is a blithering Idiot (for saying Peyton Manning isn't a great QB along with the many other dumb things he says) but I don't think his opinion is particularly outrageous on Welker. Welker is a great, heck, maybe even all-time great SLOT receiver. But he's not an outside threat. He's basically a slightly quicker version of Wayne Chrebet. He's great in his role with the Pats. I'm just not sure he's a great overall NFL WR.
He is kinda right in that I've noticed on some drives that make it down to the 20 that Wu Tang Welker tends to become invisible in the redzone. However, on half those drives where they make it WW is the only fuckin reason they even make it down the field because for the second half of '07, and for all of last year, he and Randy are the only consistently reliable recievers on the roster so you can't completely blame the guy for not finishing up drives that he usually plays a huge responsibility in getting down for at least 80% of. That said, why the fuck did we never resign Deion Branch. He was an absolute money player who absolutely lit it the fuck up in the playoffs, seriously look up his numbers for the '03 super bowl, '04 afc conference game, '04 super bowl, and '05 divisional game and you will see insane numbers. If I ever had control int the first place and could do it all over again I would have kept Deion Branch over Wes, I don't care how dumb that sounds.
