Of course you cannot give a penny of guaranteed money if you don't negotiate that part of the contract. Notice they never denied the 120/160 info like they did everything else. Remember "50 cents more". This is about total compensation right now.
You're looking at 1 year of a long term deal. His average over the 7 years of his deal was $9 million/year. His contract has ups and downs like they all do.
just in case this hasn't been posted yet. http://www.ganggreennation.com/2010/8/19/1630475/darrelle-revis-by-the-numbers?ref=yahoo "Football Outsiders says his numbers relative to corners equate to over 5,500 yards passing for a quarterback, over 1,900 yards for a receiver, or 2,000 yards with a 6 yard average for a running back." It's hard to parse those numbers and put real $ value on them for a CB, but it's equally hard not to be awed by them.
He was saying we are either much better or much worse than last year. Thats not really true or even logical at all. But you are right. If d is shit. e is redioactive waste.
we're still not sure wat we're gonna get out of cro and wilson...looks to be very good based on a couple series against the giants but over 16 games? last year's secondary was good enough to help lead the jets in pass defense
I understand but if the Jets had, for example, thrown that 10/12per offer down with a signing bonus of 30 mil I bet he would be in camp right now. They are still at the point of arguing total dollars because the Jets haven't made any offer on the only thing Revis cares about. At least that was the last thing we know for sure. It may have changed since then.
I think its been talked about here that you just can't do that. There is a percentage relationship that has to be upheld year to year. So 30 mil this year would mean alot the next season played as well. and so on and so forth.
If the only thing he cared about was the signing bonus, why is he so hung up on 50 cents more? Why won't they agree to the 120/10 part so they can get to the guaranteed portion of the negotiation? The answer seems obvious to me.
Yes, those numbers are incredible. But consider that, for instance, Marino went over 5,000 yards in 1984 and never broke the 5k barrier again. I'm not 100% certain, but I don't think any running back has ever broken 2,000 yards twice in a career. The fact is, Revis's performance last season was other-worldly. He was incredible. Chances are he will never do so well again. He may well be great, but last year will probably end up being his best ever.
Just a quick question. If this was an capped year with an no lockout in sight, how do you think the two sides would change their view if at all?
The Darrelle Revis Holdout Thread ($40 million apart) Well, I can't believe anybody would compare Revis to Haynesworth, so I suppose we're even. It's untrue, BTW, to say that Revis got "everything he wanted", nor does that address the fact that he has outplayed that contract. I'll mention that he's made $15 million so far. Guess what? He's outplayed that too. As I've said before, rookie contracts shouldn't be going 5 or 6 years. It's a bad system.
Strictly from the standpoint of competent cornerbacks on the field we're better off already this year than we were last year, even without Revis. Last year: Revis - no problem Sheppard - inconsistent, needed help Strickland - injured twice Lowery - inconsistent, needed help Coleman - oh good god... This year: Cromartie - no problem in the passing game Wilson - appears to be decent, may need help from time to time Lowery - inconsistent, needs help outside, may be ok as the nickel Cole - developmental, may be ok as the dime Coleman - oh good god already... That gives us two likely corners who can hold up their end of the deal plus two more that may be able to handle limited roles as the nickel and dime. Last year we had a #2 who by the end of the year was no better than our #3 this year and a #3 who couldn't stay on the field. We got killed by Peyton in the AFC Championship game because Lito Sheppard could not cover Pierre Garcon after Strickland went down. That forced the Jets to move Lowery onto Garcon, and Lowery also had issues, but the huge hole that opened up was Lowery coming off of Collie, where he'd been holding his own except for the blown coverage when Collie got the TD up the middle with nobody but Leonhard in shouting distance (and I don't know for sure that that was Lowery's blown assignment), and Coleman getting put on Collie. Suddenly you had two mismatches in the coverage, Lowery on Garcon who was a very high end #2, and Coleman on Collie and the floodgates burst open. Even Revis looked shaky at that point with such a total breakdown going on all around him. Fast forward that matchup to this year and you have Cromartie on Wayne, Wilson on Garcon and Lowery on Collie. None of these guys are noticeably injury-prone at this point like Strickland was, and so it's reasonable to assume that Ryan could give Lowery a little help and keep things in line. After Strickland went down last year there was just no way the Jets secondary was going to hold up even with Revis back there.
good point. i feel that rookie contracts should be 3 years. Followed by a player option, and then one-two team option years. So a player has 3 years to make a name for himself. If he has done so he goes to RFA and gets new deal. If not the player option is a paycut or similar to last year where hopefully he finally grows into the starter he should be. After that it is the Team option with a big salary bump if he proves his worth and the team can lock him down. So basically the player will get good in his 3rd year and restructure, or his get good in his 4th and get the big money and guarentees he deserves for two season. This would help teams not be bogged down by bad draft picks and keep reasure bad draft picks from not being on a team if they don't get their break or haven't broken out after third year
That with Cromartie on the roster, we've effectively replaced Revis (which is to say we are not tremendously impacted by his loss...We are not going to drop to 5/11 because of it.) If the season started tomorrow...the Gmen would b F*d. IF #6 gets hurt, Clemens can step in and a least have a shot at a Trent Dilfer season. .
That is FAR from proven based on one preseason game. It may end up being true, but no way you can say that yet.
Trent Dilfer won with an all-time great defense. The Jets don't have an all-time great defense without Revis. Even with Revis that's a long shot. Dilfer was also a far better QB than Kellen Clemens. The idea that Clemens is more important to the Jets than Revis is likely one caused by a strong hallucinogenic or narcotic. There is simply no other explanation.
Sure he started there...that was their moonshot...it seem the guarantee is what really matters though.
