JETS 2010 D..1 of the best in NFL history?

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  1. statjeff22

    statjeff22 2008 Green Guy "Most Knowledgeable" Award Winner

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    The 236 points given up is definitely on the high side for a league leader - since 1983 the average points given up for the league leader is 211.5. That's why, in fact, I said that the most likely thing is that they'll give up 50 more points next year, rather than the 85 that is the average for league leaders - chances are they weren't as lucky in 2009 as most league leaders are. That makes it likely that the dropoff will be less than is typical, not more.
     
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    Cromartie is not a bad player. Even last year he was a well above average cornerback. The Chargers gave up on him because they were tired of his off-the-field issues, they knew he would be hard to sign when the contract was up because he didn't like the zone defenses they played, and they didn't like his toughness against the run, particularly against the Jets in the divisional round.

    I'd be perfectly happy with Cromartie playing the RCB for the Jets instead of Revis next season if that's what it came down to. I expect him to have a good solid season at CB and then I'm hoping he and the Jets can reach a reasonable deal based on that. I'd love to have him and Revis as the corners for the next 3 or 4 years although I could live with Cromartie and Wilson if that's what it came down to.

    Cornerbacks just don't contribute enough of a win-share for the difference between a great one and a good one to matter that much. Same for a good one and an average one. Once you get to below-average it really matters but before that you're talking tenth of a win differentials between the grades.
     
  3. Phins Rock

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    I think you got those stats from Profootballfocus. I'm not sure how they rank them, but if we're going by them, Vontae and Sean were both ranked much higher than Cromartie last year.

    Plus, Davis and Smith were both rookies with no FS and no pass rush what so ever, playing what ended up being the league's toughest schedule and toughest set of WR's. Smith did not give up many big plays, (really only 1 all year...week 12 against Sam Aiken...still not sure how he caught that pass but w/e), and while Vontae got burnt he also made a ton of big plays with INT's, (5 if you include the pick against Edwards on your 2 pt. conversion attempt), big time tackles on 3rd down, etc.

    But this is getting out of topic.

    I'm not going to touch JT because, I'll be honest, I'm all cried out about that whole situation lol. But I do not think your defense can duplicate what it did last season as far as being #1 in the NFL. I still see it being top 5, but I can't see it being quite as dominant as it was a year ago.
     
  4. milo

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    If we're talking about defensive points allowed then 236 is innacurate. That's total points allowed. Off the top of my head I can think of 35 points that were scored that had nothing to do with the defense (21 from the Miami game off 2 KR's to the house and JT fumble recovery), and I'm pretty sure it's more than that.

    I remember Rex saying it was either 7 or 8 touchdowns, so our actual defensive points allowed is sub 200.
     
  5. Phins Rock

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    Absolutely. Rex is one of the best defensive minds in football, and the best defensive play caller in the game today.

    Like I said, I think your defense will be very good once again this year, and it is mostly because of him.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Top 5 is fine with me, although I'm pretty confident in the upgrades they made this offseason. The Jets will live and die with how the offense progresses in 2010, the defense will keep them in the game. But it doesn't need to be #1 or even top 5 to do that. The defense just needs to be opportunistic.
     
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    I'd "settle" for just a top 5 defense if we can add a top 5 offense to it.

    Which we have all the tools to be. If we really can put all our pieces together fuggedaboutit.
     
  8. statjeff22

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    I'm not going to go through the team stats for 25 years to separate out what was yielded by the defense and what by special teams and the offense on turnovers, but obviously the same issues affect every other team as well, so I doubt that it changes the point very much. If it does, your point only makes it that much more likely that the defense by itself will do worse next year.
     
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    Fair enough. Just pointing out the fact that there were some serious "rookie fucked us" anomolies in the numbers.
     
  10. Phins Rock

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    I don't know about that top 5 offense man. Lol.

    To me, defensively you might have taken a little step down, but offensively it's been 2 big steps down.

    Washington, Jones, Faneca...all gone and you replace them with Vlad Ducasse (played college ball 10 minutes from me...believe me, I realize Faneca was not in 2006 form last season, but Vladdy isn't going to come close to replacing him on the line), a rookie RB from USC in McKnight, and, to me, a very worn out LT.

    Holmes was an outstanding move, but even he's out for the first 4 games, including show downs against Baltimore, NE and Miami.

    I'm afraid to get into my beef with Sanchez as I'll get ripped for it, but here it goes anyway.

    They guy just lacks self confidence, IMO. When he throws a TD pass, he's Brett Favre in the 96 Super Bowl. If he throws an INT or had a bad game he is down on himself and did not bounce back well last year. The players had to hold a players only meeting to get his spirits back up, and it was only once they got a couple of wins because of the run game and D that he started gaining confidence back. That was with the NY media going very easy on him compared to what they will be like from here on out, because he was a rookie.

    To me, in order to be an NFL QB you need to have self-confidence and an ability to forget about a bad play and just focus on the next drive. To me, Sanchez does not have that, and playing the QB position in NY, you absolutely need those qualities in order to have success. All the talent in the world, but I don't see it from him mentally.
     
  11. MBGreen

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    I stopped reading after the bolded line.....
     
  12. milo

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    Wow. just wow. Now you're seriously reaching. :rofl:

    Do you know all these guys personally or something? Because you seem to be an expert on player's psyches.

    Mark Sanchez Regular season stats:
    12 td's
    20 int's
    53.7 completion %
    60.3 QB rating

    Mark Sanchez postseason stats:
    4 td's
    2 int's
    60.3 completion %
    92.7 QB rating

    Now imagine how he could bounce back if he wasn't crying himself to sleep at night.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I love it when a Phins fan comes on here and explains what's wrong with the Jets based on the rudimentary familiarity the 3 Jets games they watched last season gave them with the team.
     
  14. MBGreen

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    apparently our defense has taken a step back.......did we trade defensive rosters with the Lions or something?
     
  15. milo

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    "bu bu bu bu bu but you're gonna have bad chemistry and shit."
     
  16. Phins Rock

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    We'll see how it all plays out.

    I came on here before the 2008 season, saying Miami had a shot to beat out NY record wise, and you all shot me down and even quicker than you are now, so...we'll see.
     
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    I don't see how our #1 defense took a step back after we added a better #2 CB, a passrushing specialist in Taylor, and a safety who isn't looking at himself in the mirror 24/7.
     
  18. Phins Rock

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    Who is the safety?
     
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    Brodney Pool
     
  20. milo

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    I'm assuming we'll have a psychological profile on him in a few moments. The scouting report says he has great ball skills but he's a bedwetter.
     

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