Anyone else starting to feel that Sanchez is going to be Great?

You're right because it's beyond homerism to say that a 2nd year QB is going to be 2nd in smarts to Peyton Manning and no one else. I think that QBs of notable field smarts are Rivers, Rodgers, Brady, Schaub, Eli (I had to say it, but if anyone wants to call me on it I can argue about his football IQ all day), Brees, Kyle Orton (no one with such a limited skill set could be successful without a good football IQ) and, of course, Peyton.

It's too early to tell with Sanchez (& Stafford, for that matter). From what I've seen of Sanchez so far I think he's skilled at reading the coverage techniques employed by opposing DBs and placing his pass accordingly, but I'm not going to try and gauge his skill reading defenses yet; he's too young and you've got too much of a mixed-bag to look through.

 

There is no arguing that Mark is the most handsome QB in the NFL-

Just ask your moist GF/wife as you watch the games. My ex wouldn't shut-up.

 

He talks and looks the part but only time will tell how great he will be.

 

I don't think anyone really knows what the ceiling is for Sanchez. Remember this is a qb that played 16 games at USC. That's not a lot of experience to be thrown right in as the starting qb on a NY football team. He got drafted in April and was the starter by August. Most qb's that start as rookies don't do it until mid season.

Sanchez was given the keys from week 1. His rookie season was truly bizarre. He threw 15 picks in 4 games. He started off the season with Stuckey and Cotchery and a few games they added Braylon. Then Cotchery got hurt. Faneca couldn't block anyone. When Leon got hurt, the Jets were without any real passing threat out of the backfield.

If you take away the 4 horrible games where Sanchez imploded his numbers for the other 11 games would be 10 td's to 5 interceptions, 1826 yards, 146 completions in 255 attempts. This is about a 57% completion percentage which is certainly decent for a rookie qb.

During the playoffs, as a rookie on the road he had a rating over 90 and a completion percentage of 60% and he had a 4/2 td/int ratio. They did keep him away from risky throws and a lot of this was high percentage plays, but crappy qb's and choke artists don't put up numbers like these on the road in the playoffs.

I don't know what Sanchez will become down the road, but considering all the circumstances of his rookie season I have no reason to think he won't improve and become a very good NFL QB. He has great footwork, an extremely quick release, gigantic hands, can make all the necessary throws, can throw on the run, his teammates seem to love him and he genuinely seems to want to be great and put the work in.

As long as he stays healthy and the coaching staff puts him in positions to succeed I think he will be a very good qb.

 

Your beliefs are admirable and terribly predictable. And do you realize how high you're setting the standard for Sanchez? Outplaying Cutler is easy enough because all he has to do is not be a turnover-prone, mopey, diabetic that still likes to go out drinking. Sanchez could very well outperform Cutler this up and coming year.

Rodgers is a damn good QB. He is just as athletic as Sanchez and has a much stronger arm. He also has some good weapons in Driver and Jennings. When you factor in the lack of a running game that GB has, Rodgers is a lock to put up great numbers out of necessity. I don't really see Sanchez having the ability and opportunity to outperform Rodgers based on these factors.

Flacco is an interesting comparison for Sanchez. Flacco is the better athlete in nearly every measurable category, but is slower coming along with the mental aspects of the game. Still, he's managed to keep his INT numbers low in both of his seasons (though his fumbles need to decrease). This year will be telling for Flacco as he actually has some legitimate WRs to target. I can see the two of them being very competitive stat-wise and ultimately think it will boil down to whichever QB is asked to do more.

Saying is going to be better than Rivers is pretty stupid. Rivers has been one of the best QBs in the league for the last 3 years. He doesn't have anything close to a strong arm, but his accuracy is excellent and his anticipation is better than any other QB I've ever seen. There's no way a guy with his lack of arm strength can be such an effective downfield passer without being able to visualize breaks and defensive reactions well before they happen. When you factor in that his passing weapons are amazing (dude! Vincent Jackson is so freaking tall!!) and that he plays in balmy San Diego weather and is accompanied by an average defensive unit, I can't see Sanchez putting up better numbers than him at any point. In terms of better QB play, Rivers has basically thrown his team into the playoffs for 3 years in a row and has beaten Peyton Manning in the playoffs a number of times. The Jets won many games despite Sanchez, though he played much better in the playoffs, so let's temper the optimism a bit.

Now, you know I have to go after you for saying Eli is garbage. I'm looking at his body of work and I'm trying to see this "garbage" you speak of. He had an awful rookie year on an awful team. He struggled early in his career in the winds of Giants' stadium (I should point out that he never did manage to throw five interceptions, FWIW) and was in danger of finding himself staring down a 1st round pick QB as his backup midway through 2007.

And then everything changed.

In 2007 the Giants' defense performed at a fairly consistent level both in the regular season and for the majority of the playoffs. It was the improvement of the offense that elevated the team to the level of Super Bowl Champion. Eli is the 2nd QB to throw for 2 4th quarter TDs in the Super Bowl and the ONLY QB to take the field and lead his team to victory on his final drive of the Super Bowl knowing that only a TD would win the game (every QB prior to that point could have settled for a field goal, even if they ultimately didn't).

In 2008 Eli started off the year very strong and was in early-season MVP discussions (for whatever those are worth). The passing offense that year was based around Plaxico Burress. After Burress shot himself in the leg the entire offense came to a grinding halt. Despite that face Eli still halved his INT numbers from the year before and posted a then career-high completion percentage.

In 2009 there was no way the Giants could have a good passing game according to every newspaper, TV outlet, and asshole with a mouth and functioning voicebox. With a WR corps consisting of rookies and young players that had never started a full season before, Eli put up career highs in completion percentage, yards, yards per attempt, TDs, and QB rating. He did this without a running game due to injuries along the offensive line and in the offensive backfield. He had no help from a defensive unit (lead by Bill "Wrong Way" Sheridan) that allowed 40 or more points FIVE times! Eli also did all this while playing through plantar fascitis.

So tell me, how is he garbage? Is he garbage because you're only basing everything you say on your own opinions and have no evidence to back it up? Is he garbage because you're a Jets' fan that enjoys bashing the Giants either due to an inferiority complex or general douchebaggery? If this is all based on what you feel inside, then I apologize for writing all this and you can go about your business. If you care to put forth any facts or actual information to justify anything you've said, I'm here.

I'll happily discuss comparing Sanchez heretofore to any of the other QBs you've listed. I'm also more than happy to discuss Eli Manning; that obviously fires me up. So, ball's in your court. Respond how, and if, you will.

 

Very well written. Rodgers and Flacco and Rivers will always be better statistically than Sanchez (barring some crazy season where Schotty gets pass happy) and that's fine. I don't need Sanchez to be that crazy Fantasy Football QB that everyone must have. With the way our team is set up it's really his smarts and intangibles that are the biggest strength to helping this team win. Granted it'd be nice to have the crazy arm strength and flawless footwork and what not but he's not lacking in any of those areas he just hasn't put it all together yet.

The reason I don't get into many debates is b/c I'm not good with the stats like some of these other posters on the site. I base my arguments more on what I see and feel about each player week in and week out.

I just don't like Eli as a player. Again can't really go into crazy specifics or examples there is just some things about his game that say to me that he doesn't have what it takes to become a great QB. Maybe garbage was the wrong word to use as he has proven he can win but I'll just say I'm glad he's not our QB. No hate on the Giants the only team I hate on is the Fins.

I wish I was better at using examples and stats b/c it wouldn't make me seem like I base everything off of opinion but that really is all I'm going off of. Again I'm not saying this is all going to happen this year or next year or even the year after that. But I feel that once he's reached his ceiling we will all truly see that we have one of the smartest and most dedicated QB's in the league and that there will be little to no debate about it.

 

way too early too say, but he did show flashes last year. i expect him to continue to progress and dont think he will have that sophomore slump that ryan and flacco did.

 

I wouldn't call Eli garbage, but your posts have a clear undercurrent of bias to them. His stats are fairly average and certainly nothing to hate on. I would take them in a second, assuming our defense remained strong and we continued with our run-oriented offense.

However, you're giving him a little more credit than he deserves. Again, his stats are average. His W-L ratio is attributable more to the Giants defense and running game, than his arm. Additionally, you really shouldn't reference his SB winning drive as part of his résumé. Great pass to Plax for the TD, but let's not forget the ~5 near-INTs (some literally dropped by Pats defenders) and wholly unnecessary 3rd-down hail-mary to Tyree, on that same drive.

And, please. enough with this "inferiority complex" BS. I know some Jets fans suffer from it, but a good majority (myself included) really don't care what the Giants do. Honestly, if I've ever rooted for the Giants to lose, it was because of fans who talk s***, instead of staying classy, humble, and thankful of their team's success.

Regarding Sanchez, and I posted earlier in this thread, some fans need to chill before going off on him being "first tier", "second tier", whatever. He won two playoff games, but not without help. He showed many flashes during the season and in the playoffs, but be honest, his regular season stats were horrific, and he definitely lost us more than two or three games all by himself last season (and maybe with Shotty's help ). Fans who start talking nonsense like this make the rest of the fan base look like jackasses. IMO, Sanchez will be good, but it's far too early to claim that he definitely will be, and far too nonsensical to claim that he already is.

 

Eli reminds me of the simple country folk you see in movies.

Almost a Forrest Gump type, except his Ping Pong is Football, and his Magic shoes are a pair of Nike cleats.

 

Mark Sanchez flashed some thinks that could end up leading to greatness if he gets the mental part of the game down and becomes clutch. But I'm going to wait until he is above average before I start looking for greatness.

 

He's definitely clutch no mistake about it, I'm still looking for more consistency in his game and better accuracy in his throws, but Rome wasn't built in a day and we've seen much improvement in Sanchez since his rookie year, the knowledge of the system, footwork and pocket presence, knowing when to check down and when to go for the kill.

I think if this O-line stays intact and Sanchez stays healthy he will be the best QB ever to put on a Jet Uniform when it's all said and done

 

He may not be a QB who puts up great numbers (or maybe he will?) but I know he'll be a winner which is all that matters to me.

 

I don't think the offense will ever call for him to put up great numbers which is fine.

He'll be efficient and clutch. But on those days where they need to get into a shootout, he'll come through.

Its a beautiful situation.

 

I was going to say the same thing. He may not put up great numbers, but I think he'll go down as a winner and someone who will lead his team to victory when it matters most.

 

Yes, barring injury, he is going to be great and it's going to happen very soon.

 

Man I wanna watch yesterdays game again already, how many times did he slide around in the pocket yesterday to avoid the hit? It was awesome watching him yesterday. And the rest of the team of course too.

 

I almost want to say he played better after suffering the leg injury. I agree, it was a real gutsy performance. I'm just wondering if we'd remember it as such if we'd lost.

To me, Sanchez is still a bit of a mystery. Obviously, the biggest thing you need to see (not just w/ him but with 99% of young QB's) is consistency. There have been games where he's been near flawless and others where he's been pretty awful. Thankfully, the awful ones have been rare this year.

The negative stat that still jumps off the page is the low completion % and that needs to improve.

 

nah its no mystery. He's a 2nd year QB.

We do tend for forget he's still growing as a QB, and he won't stop until his 4th or 5th year.

 

He has improved since a year ago which is obviously an excellent sign. He is currently the best QB in his draft class, although Freeman is looking good too. He isn't playing at the level of Matt Ryan, but he's getting better. So it looks positive. If he can win the AFCCG in his 2d season, that would obviously elevate his stature.