Since it was too much trouble for you to google "Vernon Gholston, mma training", here is a link to the top story when you do that. http://sportsbybrooks.com/jay-glazer-gave-brutal-mma-lesson-to-stu-scott-27835 And don't minimize the impact this training has had on several NFL players. They RAVE about it.. some of the best players in the league said it helped them tremendously, including Jared Allen and Patrick Willis. Right now he is working with Ryan Grant and says it's really helping him open up his hips and his flexibility. Gholston should have given it a shot if he cares at all.. which its looking more and more like he doesnt. In the link I just posted it says that Damien Woody was one of the players to reach out to Glazer as well.
According to Jared Allen: http://www.morganhilltimes.com/sports/257053-jared-allen-hoping-mma-training-will-give-him-an-edge
Yes that is correct. He "retweeted" a question that someone asked him. And then his reply was that he wants him to and he would really benefit.
Since your too lazy to read the post date, I'll post it for you: And I'm still looking through the tweets to find any instance of Gholston NOT showing up, or any Jets player actually showing up, aside from Woody. Got a link for those? I have no doubt that this kind of training would improve the condition, balance, strength...etc. of committed football players but Gholston's problems go far deeper than that. He is clueless on the field. How is learning how to fight going to improve his understanding of his gap/coverage assignments or his halfback reads?
Nowhere did I say he was signed up to go and pussed out. I said Rex wanted him to mma train with Glazer. Glazer stated this. Gholston has not trained with Glazer even though clearly many people feel it would help. What part of this are you not grasping?
mmm... so you're telling me Gholston doesn't want to put in the effort to become a good football player? Wow, that's a surprise! My prediction is he'll get cut on final cuts in September.
hahahahaha wow you are you serious? Maybe it was this.. when Glazer tweeted on April 15, 2010 that he wishes Gholston would do it because it would really help him??? So it looks like you're beat here.. unless Gholston started today and nobody knows about it. RT @Kevin747747: @Jay_Glazer Can you get Vernon Gholston to train with you, please!>I want him to BIG TIME! Dude would really benefit 9:52 AM Apr 15th via UberTwitter For those that don't understand twitter.. this guy kevin tweeted glazer the question "can you get Vernon Gholston to train with you please" and then Glazer's reply was: "I want him to BIG TIME! Dude would really benefit" There.
Seriously, how does your pride as a man not kick in and try to prove that you belong in the NFL, and not because of your draft position/salary. I seriously would never want the money VG has if I knew every one of my teammates hated me, not to mention an entire city and fan base...
Shit, I thought that was the original guy saying it. My bad, I still have a very limited idea of how to read twitter posts and didn't realize ">" meant "now I am speaking". Still, there is this: Unless Glazer is teaching him gap assigments and reads, I really don't see how MMA training is going to help him with anything, aside from making him a poorly motivated MMA fighter.
As to the part you edited into the post after the fact, I agree that it will not help him understand assignments, and maybe he's a lost cause in that department. But a big knock on Gholston is that he is "stiff" with his pass rushing moves. The reason we got him is to rush the passer, and a lot of players swear by this training, including Jared Allen, who knows a thing or 2 about what it takes to rush the passer. MMA training is not about "learning to fight". It's about lot's of things, and is a great way to train. There is a reason to many players are turning to it. My point is, his coach specifically mentioned him as a guy he wanted to work out with Glazer. It didn't happen. And I think that speaks volumes when there was an avenue for him to try and improve as a football player and it was not taken.
At this point, that point is muted by every other point leading up to it. Gholston has always had this question about him. Jim Tressel said it. Just about everyone watching Ohio State said it. The coach that drafted him said it. Rex hinted to it on numerous occasions. The dude is a waist.
What are you kidding me? You asked for proof that he was being mentioned as a candidate for MMA training or that anybody wanted him to, so I posted the article to prove that Rex Ryan asked Glazer about training Gholston. That is why I posted that article. We didn't draft Gholston to drop into pass coverage or break down gap assignments. We drafted him to sack the quarterback. This type of training has been proven by many players to help out in many different areas. There is a reason top players like Justin Tuck, Jared Allen, Patrick Willis, Brian Cushing, Calvin Pace and others are doing it. To say this training wouldn't help at all is just ignorant, especially when all these elite players who have done it swear by it. Who would know better, Jared Allen or you?
Oh do you have facts, do you have links, do you have proof that Jim Tressel said Vernon Gholston doesn't have the motivation? Cuz all I heard was the analysts on ESPN and NFL Network at the draft say that he takes plays off and things like that. In retrospect they were right.. but I have a hard time believing his college coach said that. And when did Mangini say it? That being said, I had hope for him still.. but now I tend to agree he is a complete and total waste and will never do anything worth a damn in the NFL.
Someone posted an article Tressel saying that there were times when it looked like he didn't want to play a while back. I can't find it right now but I'll keep looking for it. Mangini's comments came from a press conference when he announced that Gholston would be deactivated. I believe it was the Thursday before the Broncos game. He said something along the lines of "It's time for rookies to stop acting like rookies." Then there is the story of Mangini running around practice with Gholston's combine numbers.
QUOTE=MikeHoncho;1672783]What are you kidding me? You asked for proof that he was being mentioned as a candidate for MMA training or that anybody wanted him to, so I posted the article to prove that Rex Ryan asked Glazer about training Gholston. That is why I posted that article.[/QUOTE] I asked for proof of him not showing up. I remember an earlier article specifically saying that Ryan wanted Gholston to work out with Glazer and Randy Couture. Yes, we did draft Gholston to be a pass rusher. The problem is that he was a first round pick which means he was meant to be a starter so there is this small chance that he might have to, you know, be on the field during a running play. I don't think that the CS would be calling for him to drop into coverage, looking for an INT but he still has to know his gap assignments to know WHERE he has to blitz and to know where to be if they run to his side. Do you actually know what football is? All of those guys actually knew how to play football and wanted to increase their strength, stamina, balance and hand fighting. They were already elite level players. Gholston doesn't know square one about his own position. Gholston's new control over his body means nothing to this game if he doesn't know how to play it. Fuck it. I'm done with this.
This guy would be so much more tolerable and at least give us a glimmer of hope if we were reading stories about him doing mma training with these other elite nfl players, or doing something to show that he's really trying to improve and make something of himself. Instead, the only news I read about him this offseason is that the Jets aren't cutting him, and that he went to Haiti, which is a nice thing and all, but it sure doesn't help the Jets. It's just disappointing that it's looking like he's officially never going to contribute at all. When I read this stuff about Rex and the MMA fight and Gholston was mentioned as a candidate to workout with Glazer, I actually had a little bit of hope for him.
I want Vernon to come over and paint my house this summer. I think the hard work, discipline and sense of accomplisment would do worlds of good for him and his self confidence and after that, skys the limit.
I asked for proof of him not showing up. I remember an earlier article specifically saying that Ryan wanted Gholston to work out with Glazer and Randy Couture. Yes, we did draft Gholston to be a pass rusher. The problem is that he was a first round pick which means he was meant to be a starter so there is this small chance that he might have to, you know, be on the field during a running play. I don't think that the CS would be calling for him to drop into coverage, looking for an INT but he still has to know his gap assignments to know WHERE he has to blitz and to know where to be if they run to his side. Do you actually know what football is? All of those guys actually knew how to play football and wanted to increase their strength, stamina, balance and hand fighting. They were already elite level players. Gholston doesn't know square one about his own position. Gholston's new control over his body means nothing to this game if he doesn't know how to play it. Fuck it. I'm done with this.[/QUOTE] Oh no.. what is football? Maybe you can teach me?? I don't know what you are talking about? Please enlighten me?? I mean here I was thinking that this training that star NFL players swear by and that his head coach Rex Ryan wanted him to do, that increases your strength, endurance, flexibility, footwork and other stuff could actually HELP him. Did I say it would make him a star? No. Here's a guy who dominated Jake Long in college.. so he clearly has some ability somewhere inside him. And since you were unable to provide any Jim Tressel quotes about him, allow me to: http://www.thephinsider.com/2008/4/30/470235/a-rivalry-begins-jake-long
