Like I've laid out, by this definition of clutch the Jets stopped 50% of the 4th quarter drives to close the game (for: Titans, Pats, Bills, against: Dolphins, Jags, Falcons). If you examine the other teams, the rate is about 60%. Only most of these teams have few of these situations since they were paired with a good offense or a really easy schedule. The 85 Bears, for example, had only 1 such situation. The 76 Steelers 3. It's dishonest to make it sound like these all-time defenses succeed EVERY SINGLE TIME when there's a game closing stop. They succeed 60%, and we did 50% (so far). Heck, one more and we're basically at that average. The difference is a statistical anomoly, not some major deficiency for this defense.
The Jets are a pass rushing demon and a Kris Jenkins away from being one of the all time greats. A free safety that can tackle would help too.
that's below average among the 7 BEST defenses of all time. And remember, we played a much above average schedule. And the difference is within statistical variance. Again, if the Jets stop the Bengals at the end of this week's game, we're right at the average. To base the definition of a great defense on something that slight is not a good way to differentiate things. Fact is, we did better than 7 of the best defenses of all time considering the opponents. I honestly thing these Jets would do just as well or better given the 2000 Ravens schedule.
Jealous of what? You guys have one upset SB to your credit, and needed to play Colts and Bengals backups to get into the Playoffs. So what if the Steelers had an off year. They still went 9-7 and beat some of the best teams in the league. A bad year for the Jets is 1-15. Probably won't see that in Pittsburgh for a very long time unless you count the Pirates. I gave the Jets props in another thread..you guys won the games you had to win to get in. The thread starter is trying to make the Jets out like some second coming of Jesus.
??? I'm saying look at the numbers. They're as good as or better than your 2008 steelers if you account for the opposing offense. They're as good as or better than your 1976 Steelers if you account for opposing offense. That's all I'm saying. It seems to me that you think your Steel Curtain defense was the second coming and don't want to see it stained. Fact is, statistically, this is as good or better than those two defenses.
You faced 4 offenses in the top 10 all year and one of them didn't play all that hard (Colts.) You played New England twice, New Orleans, and Houston. You went .500 in those games. In fact you got worse against New England the second time around instead of better. So most of your schedule was against bottom half of the league offenses.
The 2008 Steelers played the hardest schedule in the league AND won the Super Bowl. This has nothing to do with my homer opinion of the Steelers
Who were the big time O's you faced last year? SD? they had to go on the road in January then you faced Baltimore. AZ was a big time O but they shredded your D in the 4th qtr. I'm not comparing our teams, the '08 Steelers were better but don't act like the '08 Steelers(or '05) were the '85 Bears.
Idk what your making excuses about, you guys should of been in the playoffs instead you lose to the Raiders and Browns two HORRIBLE teams, including a Raider loss at HOME, granted the Steelers franchise have been around and have been very successful due to continuity throughout the Franchise but this year you guys screwed up BADLY, Troy or no Troy, no excuses to lose to those teams Worry bout next year, because this year clearly wasn't yours, Let us enjoy the revival of our Franchise, we've done well this decade and were only going to get better
Not sure where you're getting this "hardest schedule" thing from. You played 2 top 5 offenses all year last year (avg 13.5 pt/G). The 2009 Jets this year played 4 top 5 offenses and gave up 36 points defensively in those 4 contests (avg 9 pt/G). Here are the offensive ranks of the teams Jets played: 1, 3 (x2), 4, 9, 12, 16, 17 (x2), 18, 19, 24, 28, 30 (x2), 31 avg: 16.4 here's the 2008 steelers: 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 18 (x2), 19, 20, 21, 31 (x2), 32 (x2) avg: 17.8 Um... yea. You padded your defensive stats against the two worst offensive teams in the league by far, CLE and CIN. CLEARLY, the Jets played a tougher schedule defensively, and by a good margin. Now the 2008 Steelers offense is clearly superior to the 2009 Jets offense, but you can't go and say your 2008 Steelers played harder offenses because they didn't.
Like I just showed, the 2009 Jets had a harder schedule defensively than the 2008 Steelers. And it's not the defense's fault that the offense gave up 14 points to NO and 7 to NE. Win-loss records reflect both offense and defense. The defense did their jobs in those 2 losses, the offense did not. Next time you should look at the actual numbers before proclaiming things that just aren't true.
I also don't sit in the crowd that the 2008 Steelers are one of the best teams ever and I'm a FAN. Neither of our D's is better than the 76 Steelers or 85 Bears
wow, logical thought must be very difficult for you if you came to that conclusion. how about you analyze how well the Jets D played in those losses before trying to dismiss those losses as somehow indicative of a weakness in the D. you can't. you're doing a very poor job dealing with complex realities in your performance in this thread.
One can also argue that offenses and their overall rankings are a reflection of THEIR opposing schedule. Steelers ranked 8th in the league this year on offense if I am not mistaken, but they hardly had a tough schedule. Big Ben padded his numbers against some pretty bad teams. The true measure of an all time D is how feared are they? Teams hated to face the 2008 Steelers but I wouldn't say they were afraid....
I already said you guys had a great defense this year...it just isn't one of the best all time. RevisAndHarris said he thought they were top 3 all time which simply isn't true. Sorry if I can't commit time to look up stuff while at work to satisfy you JetBlue
And exactly how do you measure "fear"? The '85 Bears actually did worse statistically than the '09 Jets. And most of the fear was directed towards the team, not necessarily just their defense. Once they got out in front, it was hard to catch up to them. But here's the thing. Their OFFENSE got them out in front a lot. That's why they won so many games by double digits. Teams couldn't pass against them. But if you switch the '09 Jets and the '85 Bears? I think the defense is feared just as much, probably more. The '76 Steelers, I think are probably better than the '09 Jets. But the '09 Jets are certainly up there and compare well against everyone else. Top 3 is not out of the question. The '00 Ravens played a terrible schedule (no top 5, only 2 top 10 offenses), so I think the Jets are as good, maybe better. Really, are there other candidates?
the problem was you dismissed the D's performance in losses just because the team lost. that's a bad argument. many of our losses the D played great, even if they blew it at the end.
Closed minded? Rather be that then disingenuous. Your entire argument to me is just that. Not even going to mention the chop and paste of my quote. Yes, I absolutely question the judgment of anyone that watched this team over the course of the 2009 regular season and proceeds to make the statement they just watched an all-time great defense. I flat out do! I am sorry but if you watched this season unfold and still think that this defense is on par with the 1985 Bears or 2000 Ravens .......... You're freaking nuts. Ask any reasonable football person if they would take either of those defenses over the 2009 Jets D. What do you think the outcome would be? Assuming you care.................
