Can we not blame Shotty for at least one week

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  1. SettlerDawg

    SettlerDawg Well-Known Member

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    First of all, that was only one play and does not represent the rest of the passing plays that we run.

    Second, plays of that nature where receivers run close to each other are used in every offensive playbook. Hell, Atlanta ran 2 consecutive plays of that neture on the end of the game and it got Gonzalez wide open. Crossing routes, and other routes that involve wide receivers running close to each other, forces a defender to choose between defending one or the other. This often causes confusion, and it also helps to draw away zone coverage.
     
  2. LeonNYJ

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    It's like in hockey when a team loses 2-1 and everyone blames the Goalie who was standing on his head all night even though the offense sucked all night.
     
  3. Penning10toColes

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    I never said it was a good thing, I'm simply saying it's not like the third rail of play design. You're acting like this is a grave sin, and I really don't understand why. Did you major in play design or something?

    Cotchery is above average and Edwards is as well when he remembers how to catch, but that's it. If you compare our WR core to the rest of the league, we're probably right in the middle. That's what I call mediocre.
     
  4. NYJFan10

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    Did Schotty take too many unneccesary risks with Sanchez? YES After three weeks of running twice as much as we passed, there was no reason to throw one more time than we ran when we had the lead for most of the game.

    Did the offense score any points? NO

    So yes it is fair to blame Schotty, although there's plenty of blame to go around after the latest Jet fiasco.
     
  5. MK1

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    A run first team doesn't mean you have to run the ball over 70% of the time on first down. The jumbo formation on the goal line almost never works. What happened to the screen pass, or making it easier on your QB with a simple come back route or a simple slant pattern. Schotty is too smart for his own good, the gimmick plays have not worked and he's not fooling anyone. Just go back to simple high percentage football plays.
     
  6. FlashGordon

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    My problem with Schotty's playcalling is his insistence on balance. Normally, I like to see run/pass balance, but in 20 degree weather with a rookie QB and the #1 running game and a lead for the entire game, why did we throw 35 passes vs 29 runs? Same thing in the Buffalo loss. Makes it seem as if he's intent on achieving balance, not playing to the strength of his team.
     
  7. CraigF1210

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    just an observation, did anyone else notice the TV camera's were right on Scotty's face, like he was covering his mouth with the clipboard but the camera was from a different angle and someone who can read lips would know exactly what he was saying, just a though
     
  8. joykilla

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    Shotty was trying to run the ball but they shut our run down. Our biggest run of the game was 12 yards. They shut down Jones they shut down Greene.

    On third and 8 you have to pass. Sorry that is the way it is.

    I blame our special teams. You have to convert at least one of the field goals.
     
  9. SettlerDawg

    SettlerDawg Well-Known Member

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    Because the running game couldn't get more than a yard at many points in the game. This led to many 2nd/3rd and longs which led to more passes.
     
  10. SanityRemoved

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    Rex Ryan was fooled by Schottenheimer at the beginning. I don't believe that is the case anymore. Is there a reason Special Teams sees a lower amount of playtime than the offense and defense? Schotty and Kerry Rhodes would make a good couple in the off season, both are concerned with themselves and not the team. We have the players necessary to reach the Super Bowl, sadly the coaches are making decisions that negate our strengths.
     
  11. MyPutzyRod

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    I wouldn't expect a fan of the Oregon spread option ducks to be able to understand how horrific our offense is.
     
  12. FlashGordon

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    I don't care about second and 10 or 11. Run it anyway. The passing game is so ridiculously inefficient at this point that there should be no "obvious passing downs." So many picks and incompletions come out of the passing game that it just isn't worth it. And 29 runs for 92 yards isn't exactly getting shut down.
     
  13. StreetFighterJet

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    Fck Shotty, the guy is clueless, he always tries to get cute at the wrong fcking time and it always costs us BIG time!

    He comes out in a power run formation with even Pouha in there as a lineman and he fucking calls a PA PASS?! A PASS TO WHO!? WHOT HE FCK ARE YOU GOING TO THROW IT TO WHEN NO ON EON THE FIELD COULD CATCH?!

    That was a wasted fckign down and it cost us the game. You run the ball there you run the fcking ball fom that point on and go for the FG if you don't get a first, but at least you drain clock.

    This fck head loves to get fancy, I think perhaps his dick will fall off if he were to call 3 runs in a row.

    He better be gone in the offseason.
     
  14. MyPutzyRod

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    He gets cute b/c he comes from the lame Steve Spurrier run and gun offense that the Florida gators used in the 90's. He has no feel for the NFL game.
     
  15. SettlerDawg

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    NY Jets - 12:07
    1st-10, NYJ26 12:07 T. Jones rushed to the left for 1 yard loss
    2nd-11, NYJ25 11:31 M. Sanchez incomplete pass to the left
    3rd-11, NYJ25 11:18 T. DeCoud intercepted M. Sanchez for 5 yards

    NY Jets - 6:30
    1st-10, NYJ34 6:30 T. Jones rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain
    2nd-6, NYJ38 5:57 T. Jones rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss
    3rd-7, NYJ37 5:25 M. Sanchez rushed up the middle for 1 yard gain

    1st-10, ATL46 12:48 T. Jones rushed to the right for 1 yard loss
    2nd-11, ATL47 12:11 M. Sanchez sacked by T. Johnson
    3rd-15, NYJ49 11:35 M. Sanchez passed to J. Cotchery down the middle for 18 yard gain

    1st-10, ATL10 8:43 T. Jones rushed to the right for 2 yard loss
    2nd-12, ATL12 8:02 M. Sanchez passed to D. Keller to the right for 10 yard gain
    3rd-2, ATL2 7:22 T. Jones rushed to the right for 1 yard gain


    These are just a few plays from the first and 2nd quarter, but you can see how a 1 yard run pretty much kills our drive. Our running game wasn't exactly shut down, but it was very ineffective for us today.
     
  16. FlashGordon

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    They only kill drives because we let them. We don't HAVE TO PASS on second and long. A 3 or 4 yard run on 2nd and 11 makes things manageable. The sacks and incompletions on 2nd and 11 are the killers.
    The plays I bolded above are an example of what I mean about inefficiency in the passing game. Our running game is sometimes frustrating, but often rewarding. Our passing game is catastrophic way too often.
     
  17. SettlerDawg

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    3rd and 7 instead of 3rd and 11 isn't going to make that much of a difference. The passing game is somewhat inefficient, but passing plays get more yards per attempt than rushing plays. You just have to live with the incompletions, and you absolutely can't throw any picks.
     
  18. BakerMaker

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    Compared to other games this game wasnt as badly called as others for Too Cute Schotty however the fact that he has Danny Woodhead being used more as a target than Jerricho Cotchery is just down right sad and laughable.

    Does the coaching staff not have faith in Clowney at all to have him deactivated and having Woodhead be the 3rd WR in this game? How the fuck does this happen? Did he fuck up on Twitter?
     
  19. truthbtold

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    Toooo much running ...

    and not enough trust in our QB.

    We lined up on 1st down 27 times... We ran on 19 of them. Out of the 8 1st down throws, half of them came in the 2 minute offense.

    Can we throw a goddamn pass for some decent yardage on 1st down every once in a F*$#ing while or are we purposely tryng to make things difficult for Sanchez on third down????!!!!!!
     
  20. Penning10toColes

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    And this is why I don't buy the Fire Schotty shtick. Everyone acts like they know how to run an NFL offense better than he does, but really, we're all taking our best guesses.
     

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