I think signing this guy to long term, big money might be a mistake. I have reservations about him being worth any real money since he's not real money with his hands. he just seems like the type of guy that might sooner or later wear out his welcome and signing him long term would be hard to swallow.
Chances are he is going to be a RFA, which will either gives us one more year to decide whether or not he is worth signing long term or better yet get a first round pick for him. EIther way I don't think there is any way he gets a long term contract from this team this offseason, nor should he.
Let's analyze this thing seriously and not by saying things that come from the heart and not from the brain. B. Edwards: His contract status is RFA. Let's offer him a one year contract that would take something in the region of a #2 and a #4 round pick compensation if someone offers him more. (that's how it works right? Like the fact we had to give the Cowboys a #2 round pick if we offered more than xxx money to M. Austin). This way: 1) We protect the investment we made by trading for him. 2) We give him one more year to prove he is worth a big money contract (to this point he's proven he has the talent, not that he is consistent with it). He'd also have one full off-season to work with Sanchez and prove what he can do if given the time. V. Gholston: We have a lot of money invested in this kid and we also spent a high pick on him. Cutting him in this off-season/TC would be stupid because it's not like there is soo much available proven talent at the OLB position in the FA market so he's not stealing anyone's place on the 53 man roster. I'd keep him on the roster at least midway through the season if not almost the end of it. Then, if he still plays like shit, I'd cut/trade for a low rd pick him midway throuh the season so we still get his contract off 2011. This way: 1) We give him another full off-season/playing season to get better and maybe start to contribute. 2) We clearly make him understand this is his last chance 3) IF things don't change after having been given all of these chances we can cut him and still be hit by his huge cap number in a no salary cap season. Faneca: Same thinking as Gholston, keep him around.. he can still be at least a viable back-up. If he proves he's finished cut him mid-way through the season so his contract doesn't hurt us in 2011. Cutting someone through the off-season just because his contract is too big for what he brings to the table doesn't make sense if most of that money is guaranteed anyways. Things change if, like in Rhodes (or Roades or whatever ) most of the money is guaranteed for injury only. If, for example most of the guaranteed money in Faneca's contract is for injury only (which would make sense considering how old he is) cut him in september. My point is don't show someone the door just because you hate him, try to get the best possible value you can instead.
That's pretty sweet that you could do that. No one cares though. Read between the lines and keep the errors that you notice to yourself. You honestly think there is a collection of people on this board that are going to be flustered that they overlooked something as trivial as the correct spelling of a players first or last name? Get over it. And the only way I will be OK with not seeing B Edwards in a Jets uni next year is if we tender him 1 rnd and 3rd rnd and someone who is picking in a nice spot offers him a sheet.
Totally agree with this. Coming to the Jets, Edwards said this was like an audition for him. If what he's shown so far is his best audition for the FO to make a decision about him next year, I am not impressed. Hopefully, the FO sees it the same way. Like I said, at best, he's worth 4M-5M per, heavy-loaded with incentives that can go as high as 8M for each year incentives are met. If that's not what he's looking for, ship him out for a draft pick and let's look at a WR in the Draft to develop with our 1-year experienced QB.
Better keep Braylon. He is the man. As for Carrie, I dunno. I used to like him, but Roades might just need to hit the road if you know what I mean.
Other interesting contracts to be terminated: D. Woody: Next year this very over-rated RT (IMHO) would make 5.66 million dollars with only 1.5 guaranteed. This means we can get red of him and save a tad more than 4 mill, not bad heh? http://www.nyjetscap.com/damienwoody.html B. Thomas: This guy will make 4.35 million dollars with 1.6 guaranteed. That would only save us 2.75 million and he is still considered a starter by Rex but you never know what can happen. Personally I'd let him play next year and then let him go in 2011 when he's supposed to earn 3.7 mill dollars with 0 (ZERO) $$$ guaranteed money. That would be perfect because chences are : A) Gholston eventually steps up and takes his place B) Gholston or someone else doesnt step up and we draft an OLB with a high draft pick. http://www.nyjetscap.com/bryanthomas.html http://www.nyjetscap.com/vernongholston.html S. Ellis: Next year he'll make 3.35 million dollars with 0 $$$ guaranteed. For that much money, barring major injuries in the off-season, I'd like to keep him around. He's the longest tenured Jets, a true professional (can be a mentor to the hopefully young DL core we'll have next year) and he can still be productive. It's also the last year of his contract so that gives us flexibilty. http://www.nyjetscap.com/shaunellis.html K. Rhodes: I think this is the only really bad contract we have in our hands. Next year will be the last year he makes just under 5 mill dolars, after that it's 6 or even 7 mill a season. Hey, shit happens... every team has at least a contract they can't go proud of. I'd consider trading him (please Mangini please ) even if his guaranteed money is huge. But then again he is talented and I think Rex will make him get his act together so unless a real good offer come a long (rd 1st rounder or a 2 and an interesting player) or keep him and make the gamble (hey, NFL rosters are no sure things and I've seen worse professionals turn it around with the proper butt-kicking). http://www.nyjetscap.com/kerryrhodes.html A part from these players there ain't nothing much to say cut-wise. Pouha will make 1.6 in 2010 and 2.2 in 2011 so that should be re-worked, Sheppard will hit FA with the salary number he has and Feely and Dearth are our only important URFA but I think they'll be resigned. All infos taken from: http://www.nyjetscap.com/index.html which I think is a very useful and well run site.
The Rhodes money is only certain for injury, if he's cut for sucking, he doesn't get nearly as much. Posted on another thread......
I want to see the exact numbers first. The rumors where about 4 mill is for injury, that still leaves 8 in sucking guaranteed money.
Isn't he a RFA with all the salary cap and the other crap going on for 2010? I believe we have next year to decide if we want to give him a long term deal before the 2011 season.
As far as Edwards go. He is a restricted Free Agent if I understand correctly. Does that mean he would be tendered for a 1st round pick? If that is the case let him hit the market. Cotch is our #1 WR, not that I don't like Edwards or his presence. IMO If a team goes for him in the top 15 draft choices let him go, but if he is past that, match his offer. Gholston, I still believe his would excel in a 4-3 Defense, and could warrant a decent draft pick. Faneca needs to go. Rhodes needs to go.
The first Miami game Braylon was a beast. I'm not sure what happened since then but I would like to see him on our team next year and hopefully get back to that level. We need to get him involved early in the games and that will help open everything else up. (not trying to make this a Schotty sucks thread)
Your stuck with Edwards. After giving up the 2 picks Tannenbaum can't let him get away. I use the word stuck because he is performing exactly as he did in Cleveland. He will make a huge catch then drop a 3rd and 2 that hits him in the numbers.
we will need our current rookie qb to turn into a leader very early in his career to avoid that. he has the charisma to be seen as a leader, time will tell if he has the right personality.
The point is Vernon Gholston is making an incredibly amount of money and he doesn't contribute to this team at all. The guy can't even make plays on special teams. There will be plenty of 3-4 OLBs in free agency that can do more than this piece of garbage. It was a wasted pick by Mangini. He's not stealing anyone's place on the 53? Yes he is. The guy makes no plays at all. A backup kicker would do just as much as this kid. I'm sick and tired of people that defend Vernon Gholston. If we put a trash can at OLB, it would have just as much impact on the field. He's a waste of cash and he should be cut in an uncapped year. Gholston's a 6th overall pick. This team doesn't need to wait any longer for him to contribute - it's pretty obvious that he's a giant load of suck.
post of the week...right there. I'm praying for an uncapped year...so we can offload this pile of dung.
The uncapped year is a foregone conclusion considering all the owners who will be able to have a financial clean slate salary cap-wise. I'm sure they're all licking their chops for the day that the big axe can fall with aplomb.
Ok so Gholston wasn't worth the #6 overall pick and isn't worth the money he's getting, I agree. Do you think Murrell (to say a guy we have on the roster) or Fowler could contribute more as starters or in some specific sub-packages? I agree they contribute more as ST but since on game-day you only have 45 active players you can have a couple of players on the team because of their potential and not just because of how much they produce. Gholston has potential (he doesn't understand football but he does have physical potential) and since cut him or not we have a shit-load of money invested in him I think we should wait another year before unloading him. I'm not protecting him or saying I like how he plays... my view is just business view. If by week 8 he sucks balls trade him for a 7rd pick or cut him and I'll be the happiest NY JET fan in Italy .
Both guys were mention in the same breathe today by Rich Cimini on the midday show on WFAN. He said that they were boys and he is not sure if Edwards is a Ryan type of player either. I want to see Braylon stay with us for sure I don' t get the same feeling as I do about his play as I do with Rhodes. Can anyone elaborate on this, I am not sure if it was a link on this site but it mentioned that Tannenbaum has made some of these trades the year before a guy can become a RFA, as it allows him to tender them an offer. The two players mentioned at the time were Braylon Edwards and Washington- We make offers to the players if a team wants to sign them away they must give us draft picks - possibly 1 and 3, 2nd rounder whatever it might be. A bit of protection in case we do lose the players. Last year it was the case when we showed interested in Miles Austin and everyone was amazed that Dallas tendered him with a 1st round pick. MB do you know what players on our roster fall into this class right now? Its an interesting subject Additionally we all discuss next year being uncapped. I keep hearing rumblings they can't let it happen as it would be the destruction of the league as we know it. Additionally it does not exactly mean as it sounds "uncapped". We view it as a way to dump salary but I am not sure if it is actually what can be done.
