Worrying about the trade value of your backup QBs is a waste of time, especially when Clemens' contract is up after this year anyway. Who would trade for either one? Even if someone would it's certainly no reason to have them in games. You out a QB in an NFL game for one reason and one reason only--to try to win that game. Period.
I agree with leaving Sanchez in - mistakes and all. We can all rest assured that Clemens will most likely be gone after this year. The best option for a backup QB we had was Brett Ratliff and he was shipped to CLE. Next year we need a vet QB to b/u Sanchez for the experience factor as well as injury possibilities. If Mark has a vet QB coaching him on the sidelines in between drives he might pick up the things he is not getting this year. I've said it in multiple threads - if Chad is available, get him back here. There is no one better than he whom could help groom Mark.
I'm not so concerned about someone grooming Sanchez as having a guy who can step in and stabilize a winable game when Sanchez is struggling or if he gets hurt. At least for the next year or two, it couldn't hurt.
Sanchez should never, ever be benched. Not even for a single series. Someone does need to teach him, but it shouldn't be another QB. If you bring in Chad to back him up people will start calling for Chad at the first sign of trouble by Sanchez. Does Chad honestly give the Jets any better an opportunity to win a game than Sanchez? Come on. Fans just need to ride it out and relax. I would love to know what the fanbase conversations were when Peyton Manning was still a rookie.
You need a guy if Sanchez gets hurt so a whole season doesn't go up in smoke. We are the Jets, remember. The best machine we ever built got derailed in the first half of the first game by an injury to a QB who was nearly indestructable for the rest of his 22 years in the league.
Like I asked before, who is Peyton Manning's backup? Tom Brady's? Drew Brees'? Phil Rivers'? Aaron Rodgers? Brett Favre's? Who plays if one of those guys goes down and keeps hope alive? Either you put all your eggs in one basket with your franchise QB, or you don't. If your team has two starting quarterbacks, your team has no starting quarterback.
Alio, Sanchez is the lowest ranked of all starting Qb's in the league right now. That's what I meant. The two who were below him are not starting anymore. Regarding why Sanchez is the starter, I tend to think you are right, but I would only add we don't literally know that is exactly the case. There was all that possibly pretext about a competition, but I tend to agree with you as to what was probably really going on. The problem with your point about the aforementioned Qb's is that they are already proven effective starters. Sanchez was, and sadly remains, different, meaning unproven, or perhaps more accurately proven so far to be too often ineffective. Since I certainly do not think it necessary that a rookie Qb start all his games, and possibly (probably) ill advised, and I think more so every day ill advised when he seems to be regressing to have him continue, the backup should be played. The other thing is the point about having a vet Qb around to hopefully help the new guy pick up stuff. While that is concededly secondary, it's not a complete nonfactor. But the larger point I take it you are making is they committed themselves to the current course of action, which is why they didn't care about who they had in Clemens. Quite possibly true, but I think no less subject to criticism.
None of those guys plays for the Jets, except Favre one year and guess what? The season got derailed because he got hurt. Until Sanchez puts himself in that class--and I hope he does--the organization needs to plan accordingly or else they won't keep their jobs.
Yes, as I said, of current starters. Those guys, in whom their teams have invested roughly as much as the Jets have in Sanchez, are now sitting. Tells you something, doesn't it?
1. QB ratings don't mean shit. 2. If we're going to look to the Raiders and Browns as examples of what to do we're in BIG trouble.
I think Qb ratings are problematic to be sure, but they do mean something. Of course a guy with lousy ratings who still wins games presents a complex picture not fully shown in the rating. But a guy like Sanchez with a low rating who also is losing games is not such a case. I was not saying the Browns and Raiders are model franchises. But show me another team that plays their rookie Qb, or any qb who is shitting the bed like Sanchez has been, into the ground and refuses to play the backup, even in parts of games the starter is CLEARLY failing in. I don't think you can. Even historical examples frequently tossed around here on examination do not show that.
It's pretty simple why we refuse to play the backup, the backup sucks. Let's review: 2007: Chad does an ankle, plays hurt and poorly, the coaches wait real long to play Clemens. Clemens comes in and sucks more than Chad did. 2008: Clemens is about to lose the job to Chad when they trade for Favre. Favre gets hurt and self destructs, the coaches refuse to think about playing Clemens. 2009: Favre goes, the Jets make a blockbuster trade to draft Sanchez. Sanchez struggling as a rookie, Rex said flat out Sunday no chance he's benching him. See a common denominator there? THEY DON'T WANT TO PLAY KELLEN CLEMENS AT QB.
Absolutely. And if you were to go back and look, you'd see that I was originally in favor of not starting Sanchez from day 1. It was a poor decision, covered up by the whole "whoever wins the job will start" BS. I would have had no problem having a vet in here who started (or even Clemens for half a season) while Sanchez learned the pro game. My only argument now is against the people who wish we had someone to replace him with now after he's already started. As I said before the season, if Sanchez gets the ball out of the gate, he's the starter forever, come hell or high water. That's the way it is, and that's the way it should be. In the meantime, people should just accept that he's a kid with less than two dozen starts since his senior prom. He's going to make mistakes. What does having played for the Jets have to do with anything? The point is, no team carries a significant backup to their franchise QB. For what? If he goes down, so does the season. Do you think the Colts win without Manning? The Saints without Brees? Hell, we've seen the Vikings without Brett, and they weren't nearly this good, even with Adrian Peterson.
Great, if he develops into a franchise QB we'll treat it that way. In the meantime we have a veteran team with a good D and #1 running game getting taken out of contention because we have a rookie QB and nobody qualified to step in and save a game for us when he's going badly. I don't want to bench Sanchez and I'm not giving up on him, but he's not Manning or Brady yet and acting like he is is one big reason we're 4-6. Watching a veteran come in for a few series and pull out say the Buffalo game wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for the kid. A lot better than standing there the way he was looking for the suicide hotline.
My original post on this thread criticized the FO for relying on an unproven rookie and a sucky backup. Why have Clemens on the roster in such a situation? Your understanding also supports the view that there was no real competition in the off season - how could there be if Clemens sucked that bad? That's the point. It was a too risky approach by the FO, and the result is another season down in flames. Next Year Jets.
Do you believe that Kellen Clemens gives you any shot whatsoever to win? The fact is, they brought Sanchez in to be the franchise QB. That was decided by Rex Ryan the day he went to Sanchez's pro day, long before they traded up to get him. Since they put all the eggs in the Sanchez basket, they have to protect the basket now. That means he plays. Even when he fails. I am really curious to see what the Indy chatter was when Peyton Manning was throwing INTs as a rookie. Great QBs are made, not born. Flacco and Ryan spoiled everyone last year with too-high expectations. They've come more down to Earth this year, which is how it's supposed to be. The only way this team had a legit shot at the playoffs this year was if Brett Favre unretired a Jet. Even then, we'd never have traded for Edwards and probably wouldn't be competing right now.
Yea, I agree with the folks that feel that the Jets should have dumped Clemens, and brought in a vet to sit on the sidelines and help Sanchez. His performance this year has been terrible for sure....I just wish we saw improvement instead of deterioration in the last few weeks. I was old with writing off the season when he was signed....but his performance has really begun to worry me as of late.
What a terrible article. Before the season, there were a few people on here who felt we would be best served by starting the season with Kellen as the starter. I was one of them, BB was another. Whether that would have been the right decision is irrelevant now. We went with Sanchez, and second guessing that decision accomplishes absolutely nothing. The only thing to do now is to hope that he grows from this season, and not that his confidence is dying. Again I point to his background and family and say that I still feel the former is more likely.
Our quarterback situation sucks. Sanchez was (is) not ready for primetime...it's all too apparent. Our backup situation sucks too. We do have a veteran qb on staff to teach Sanchez...his name is Matt Cavanaugh. I ask again...is Sanchez a coachable player? 'Cause it sure doesn't look like it at this point. I've seen no improvement what so ever week to week. And isn't that the reason he's in there?
