Possible candidates to replace Schotty as our new OC.

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  1. MBGreen

    MBGreen Banned

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    I stopped reading after this line, Todd.

    Bum's kid was the Defensive Coordinator in San Diego before he was the HC of Cowboys....
     
  2. supersonic

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    Please god, yes.
     
  3. supersonic

    supersonic Well-Known Member

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    Holy shit that is a scary thought. Hacketts offense was a good one. The only problem was the he called the plays. He almost never went down field and it 3 and draws were rediculous to the point of comedy. However, I will say that he would have been much better for Sanchez than Shotty. Shotty is wrecking that kid because he calls plays like the kid is Farve in his prime.
     
  4. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    this is the sentence people need to embed in their brains.
     
  5. ace_o_spades

    ace_o_spades New Member

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    Jason Garret is awful
     
  6. ace_o_spades

    ace_o_spades New Member

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    please please please please please please please
     
  7. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    Something to think about:


    ■ Bill Callahan was retained by Rex Ryan for a second season as assistant head coach/offensive line.

    ■ Callahan joined the Jets in 2007 after leading the Nebraska Cornhuskers to a 27-22 record, one Big 12 North championship and two bowl appearances in four seasons.

    ■ Callahan served as head coach for the Oakland Raiders for two seasons (2002-03), logging a 15-17 regular season record and a 2-1 postseason mark.

    ■ In his first season as a head coach on any level, Callahan led the Raiders to an 11-5 record, an AFC West title and a berth in Super Bowl XXXVII. Callahan became only the fourth first-year head coach to lead a team to the Super Bowl.

    ■ Oakland led the NFL in passing and set new team records for total offensive yards (6,237), first downs (366), first downs passing (226), passes attempted (619), passes completed (418), passing yards (4,689) and highest completion percentage (67.5). His offense also ranked second in the NFL in points scored (450 points, 28.1 per game). As a result of his accomplishments, he was named Coach of the Year by the Columbus Touchdown Club of Ohio and Rookie Coach of the Year by Football Digest.

    In a three-season span, all with Callahan as either offensive coordinator or head coach, the Raiders went from leading the NFL in rushing, with 154.4 yards per game in 2000, to leading the league in passing, averaging 293.1 yards per game.

    He directed an offense in 2000 that set a Raiders single-season record for fewest sacks allowed with 28, then reset the record the next season, allowing 27 sacks.

    In 1999 Oakland ranked third in the NFL in rushing yards and fifth in total offense. From 1999-2002, the Raiders? offensive players earned 12 Pro Bowl appearances.

    ■ Before joining the Raiders, Callahan coached the offensive line for the Philadelphia Eagles from 1995-97. His unit helped the Eagles rank second in the NFC in passing, fifth in rushing and third in total offense in 1997. In 1996 Philadelphia led the conference in passing, ranked second in rushing and led the NFC in total offense. In 1995 the Eagles placed fourth in the league in rushing.



    Matt Cavanaugh:

    Matt Cavanaugh joins the Jets after four seasons as the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at the University of Pittsburgh. In 2007, The Sporting News named Cavanaugh the top offensive coordinator in the Big East as Pitt produced its first 1,000-yard rusher in seven years (LeSean McCoy, 1,328 yards). In 2006, Pitt?s scoring average of nearly 32 points per game was its highest in 25 years.

    ■ Cavanaugh last coached in the NFL as offensive coordinator for Baltimore (1999-2004), where he was on the same staff as Rex Ryan. The Ravens won Super Bowl XXXV after the 2000 season when the offense featured a rushing attack that produced a franchise-record 2,199 yards.


    ■ Before the Ravens, Cavanaugh was the offensive coordinator for the Bears (1997-98) and quarterbacks coach for the 49ers (1996) and Cardinals (1994-95).

    ■ He began his coaching career at Pitt as tight ends coach in 1993 for Johnny Majors.



    It is interesting to note they faced off as OC's in the 2000 AFC championship game, #1 Defense, shut down #1 offense.

    Matt Cavanaugh had very little to work with that year, Trent Dilfer brought stability, Tony Banks brought nothing. They had no receivers, one good TE and 2 good RB's and an awesome defense, got in as a wildcard.

    Bill Callahan had #1 offense in the league.

    If it's up to me I would go with Matt Cavanaugh :up:
     
  8. NDmick

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    ^ the 2000 Ravens being a wildcard is a trivial fact most people don't know.

    I like Cavanaugh better too. He was a QB in the NFL and he'd have the type of offense rex wants.
     
  9. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    It's an incorrect thought. First off, Wade Phillips is a defensive coach. Second off, the only reason Garrett has been 'groomed' for the HC position is because Skeletor Jones wants him to be. Jerry has made some of the most idiotic football decisions in the league from a managerial standpoint, one of the worst being that he pretty much let it be known that his HC Heir Apparent is his OC.

    Jason Garrett's main problem is that he hates running the ball even though he has possibly the most talented corps of runningbacks in the league. He is enamored with the passing game and uses the running game only as an afterthought. Sound familiar?

    This past week was the first time I saw the Coyboys truly commit to the run, after Wade and Jerry came out publicly about the fact that they weren't committing to the run at all. And even though they ran the ball a lot, it wasn't a smartly called game - because Garrett was out of his element. He cannot call a game where the rushing attack is a primary weapon. He's not capable.

    They lost the game to the Giants early this season because Garrett decided to let Romo throw the game away at the end even though they were running at will in that game. I mean DOMINATING the Giants on the ground.

    Jason Garrett would not solve any problems with the Jets. He would only cause more.
     
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  10. JohnnyJohnson

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    I've been saying the same thing about Schotty. he has no clue how to run a ground attack.
     
  11. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Dude. It's unnerving for me on Sunday. I'll watch the Cowboys game and then watch the Jets game and it's like the same guy is calling the offense.
     
  12. Gubernaculum

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    Charlie Weiss

    Horrible OC but brilliant coordinator
     
  13. MBGreen

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    he's AWESOME...but he sucks BALLS!

    it doesn't get much more vague than that.
     
  14. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Callahan went to the SB with Chucky's team, flopped, as the Raiders played one of the worst games ever in an SB, and Callahan lost the team next year. He was basically run out of town in Nebraska.
     
  15. TheBlairThomasFumble

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    I agree with this idea. It would make for a smooth transition.

     
  16. Big Blocker

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    Raiders fire Callahan one year after Super Bowl run

    ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP) — Bill Callahan went from the Super Bowl to the unemployment line in less than a year. The Oakland Raiders announced Callahan's firing Wednesday, just one season after he took the team within a victory of an NFL championship as a rookie head coach.

    Bill Callahan enters the press room Monday for what would be his final conference as Raiders coach.

    The team told Callahan a day earlier. He asked to delay the announcement because his son Brian's college team, UCLA, played in a bowl game Tuesday night.

    Openly criticized by his players, Callahan went 15-17 overall and 4-12 this season, the Raiders' worst record since 1997 and the biggest drop by a Super Bowl team.

    He was fired shortly after quarterback Rich Gannon criticized Callahan and offensive coordinator Marc Trestman for a bad offensive system.



    Callahan, a seven-year NFL assistant with no previous head coaching experience, was promoted from offensive coordinator when Jon Gruden went to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after the 2001 season. Gruden's Bucs beat Callahan's Raiders 48-21 in the 2003 Super Bowl.

    This season, though, the Raiders tied for the worst record in the NFL with the Chargers, Cardinals and Giants. They ended their season with a 21-14 loss Sunday at San Diego.
    There was speculation for weeks that Callahan would be dismissed.



    "I don't think he was happy there, and I don't think everybody was happy with him," left guard Frank Middleton said Wednesday. "I felt like something had to be done, either with the players or with the coach."

    Callahan's agent, Gary O'Hagan, declined comment. Calls to the coach's office weren't returned and he reportedly packed up days ago. Callahan is thought to be headed to Tampa Bay to join Gruden's staff.



    The Raiders released a statement expressing appreciation for Callahan, calling the Super Bowl his "shining hour."

    Several players earlier said they expected and welcomed a coaching change. Last month, Callahan called his squad the "dumbest team in America," and he then suspended stars Charles Woodson and Charlie Garner for the season finale for missing curfew.

    Woodson was among Callahan's harshest critics, saying the coach is stubborn and lost control of the team.

    Gannon, who met with Davis on Tuesday, believes he — not the coaching staff — unfairly took the blame during the early weeks of the season before he was injured.
    "Here I sit today feeling like in some small way I have to defend myself and defend my performance over the last five years here. ... It's a disgrace. It's disrespectful to me," Gannon said.

    Callahan faced tough circumstances, with 12 players going on injured reserve.

    "I don't think he should have been fired. He coached through a lot of injuries this year," Middleton said. "I don't think it was all his fault."

    Still, with so many players back from an AFC championship team, Callahan acknowledged the Raiders underachieved.

    The Raiders made costly mistakes in all phases of the game, and often beat themselves with penalties. After Oakland's 22-8 loss to the Denver Broncos on Nov. 30, Callahan was incensed.

    "We've got to be the dumbest team in America in terms of playing the game!" Callahan shouted to reporters. "I'm highly critical because of the way we give games away — we give 'em away! Period. It's embarrassing, and I represent that. And I apologize for that. If that's the best we can do, it's a sad product."
     
  17. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Reading this board and the criticism of Shotty, you would think they are outright pinning for Hackett.

    Personally I thought Hackett did a very good job with the Jets. He was the prime reason we went to the playoffs under Herm mismanagement.

    I'm not a huge fan of the WCO, I much prefer a down field passing game to the rythem dink and dunk but I still think the critisism of Shotty is pretty much a desire to see a Hackett style system.
     
  18. Talisman

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    Actually, I think the prevailing sentiment is that we want a Hackett-esq system ::right now:: while Sanchez learns the ropes, but once he's proven to himself and all of us that he can handle it, then we'd want to transition into a fancier downfield attack. The problem with Hackett was that he never seemed to want to make that transition.

    I know Penny didn't have the big arm for 99-yard bombs, but we rarely went past 15-yards over the air even though Penny could have handled that, at least, that was my main issue with him.
     
  19. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Most people need a scapegoat for what they see going wrong. Not many people will want to scapegoat the rookie QB we just traded up for and handed a 50 million dollar contract. I'm not really trying to scapegoat Schotty, because there has been plenty wrong with this team in the past month and a half with which to place blame for these losses. Not the least of it is rookie methods of the head coach, as much as I like Rex.

    I also see plenty wrong with how Sanchez has been developing, and I see just as much wrong with the way Schottenheimer seems to be hanging him out to dry.

    From what I can tell, most of that has to do with Schotty's offensive philosophy. He is in love with the passing game, which plays into why we ran out can sold the farm for a promising passer. But Schotty has problems incorporatign the running game successfully into his gameplans, and ends up resorting to trickery to try to mask that deficiency.

    I want to see a Hackett-style offense as little as I want to see what we get on Sundays already - but if you want to get down to the bones of it, Hackett played to the strengths of his personnel far more than Brian Schottenheimer does. That's not to say that he called a genius gameplan, because he never really took advantage of how much his running game set up the pass. He used the running game as a crutch in the same fashion that BS will use his gimmick formations.

    I'm just a frustrated Jets fan who is sick of unqualified coordinators holding the offense back - because we have seen more of that than anything else for the past number of years. I want to see a guy with some real genius designing an effective gameplan with the talent available - that includes scaling things back and not making a rookie quarterback carry the offense because the OC fails to run the ball in the red zone in a smart fashion.
     
  20. Big Blocker

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    I realize it's not an either/or choice. But the single person holding the offense back the most is Mark Sanchez. Not Schottenheimer.
     

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