He never would have been involved w/ that had the fans and media not been running him out. We have an owner who, for some starnge reason, listens to the moronic fanbase and our mornic fans were never happy going to the playoffs every year. Call me crazy but I had alot more fun going to the playoffs nearly every year than missing them again. This will be our 3rd straight postseason miss- the last time we missed 3 straight? 1995-1997.
By the way, b/c Herm did what he did w/ KC I was all for him leaving but I don't think it gets to that point w/o all the nonsense that was going on around him at the time.
Herm was not fired probably won't have been fired and negiotated a contract to coach the Chiefs while under contract with the Jets. He got out of his contract went to the Chiefs and got shit canned after 3 years and run out of KC. He wasn't able to get another NFL job. After 8 years as a HC the guy finished with a 54 and 74 win lost record and was 2 and 4 in the playoffs. He took over two winning teams and left both of them as bottom dwellers. He can't get another job with a league filled with mediocre HC.
He was on his way out regardless and he knew it. We got lucky KC took him and gave us a pick for him. I don't care what he did in KC, as you can see they still stink even w/o him. He took over 2 franchises that couldn't make the playoffs and he led us there 3 of 5 years and KC there the first year. KC had much bigger problems than the HC, the GM was incompetent and you are seeing the kind of talent they left to the new regime and how well they are doing this year.
Herm wasn't the problem when he was here. The problem was Bradway and his ill-fated and ill-conceived gambles in the draft. The problem was his reliance on a player base installed by Bill Parcells that was aging rapidly and had built-in cap bombs all over the place. The problem was his inability to deal with anybody on an equal basis. Every time Bradway sat down at the table with somebody, be they a big agent or a player we were trying to keep or a free agent we were trying to lure, he came up short and either did a ridiculous deal for a mediocre player or let somebody who was core for us walk because he wouldn't overpay them after he'd lost the negotiating process. Basically he did nothing right over a period of 3 or 4 years and when the roster depth Parcells had created was gone so were the Jets chances. We're still paying for Bradway's incompetence, because none of the things that he did wrong have completely left the building. The difference with Tannenbaum is that he got the overpays to our core players done and he managed to talk the big name free agents into letting us overpay them to come to the Jets. He bundled a lot of value in the draft but he came away with a few star players in the process. Tannenbaum still made the error of hiring somebody he was comfortable with as coach, as opposed to somebody strong enough to represent the interests of the team when Tannenbaum was wrong, as his first hire and of going for the quick win instead of building a solid team. 2006 was a great draft that set the Jets back on the road to respectability. Everything since then has been vintage Bradway only done 10% more effectively.
All that is proved is that he couldn't take the pressure. And how about his constant scapegoating with changing his Coordinators? How about having to bring in Dick Curl as a Clock Management Consultant. Do these sound like the actions of a coach who knows what he is doing?
A head coach has to be part of the building of a team. Herm took over a pretty welll stacked team with the Jets and a solid but decaying team with the Chiefs. He took both teams down not up, down. He did nothing of signifigance in the playoffs. He was a nice guy got some decent play out of some very good players but left both teams losers and in shambles. The guy couldn't get another NFL job and his overall record is one of a loser both regular season and playoffs. He wasn't run out of NY he ran out because he knew the Jets were toast, the guys who were carrying the load who the administration before him brought in were at the end and he figured with a solid D and a great running attack he could milk the Chiefs for a few years. He got his big pay day and is essentially out of football in his prime coaching years. By the way I met Herm a few years back in Las Vegas he is a very nice guy, I can't help but like him personally.
Yeah if you bitch about Herm's press conferences there's definitely something wrong with that. The most entertainment I've gotten out of the Jets since 1998 was when I was watching Herm pull a chicken out of his hat on a weekly basis to make a case that everybody in the room already knew but somebody had to pull his chain on anyway just to see what would happen. Those were great days.
We had almost a completely different team in 2004 than we had in 2001. The biggest problem was not doin a good enough job up front but he did a much better job than parcells did w/ the draft. coordinators get fired every year, did you not notice we let an ass't go yesterday? Did you know Bill parcells suggested someone to help out w/ the clock? did you know BP did the same thing as a young HC? "a well stacked team" that never won anything. A team that had msised 2 straight postseasons including an epic choke late in 2000. How was the team well stacked? He had the same deal in KC, he took over an overhyped, underachieving team and led them to the playoffs year 1. he didn't sustain success there like he did here but they had a complete rebuild job there and we are still seeing the effects of that. I think we got a guy now who can do that AND be a great X's and O's guy. We'll see.
This argument is not nearly as convincing as proponents make it sound to be. Consider the following: John Elway. Elway did not start his rookie season as the starter, Steve DeBerg was. DeBerg started the first four games of the season. Gary Kubiak also started even after Elway had begun starting, starting the 10th game, a win over Seattle. Kubiak played in three other games that year, and DeBerg in a total of 10. In fact Elway started the fifth game, but was pulled and DeBerg came in to score a fourth quarter td in a loss to Chicago, and started game six. Seems like Denver had no problem playing someone other than John Elway that year. The other thing about Elway's stats that year is that Denver had pretty mediocre receivers. Rick Upchurch was in his last year before retiring, catching 40 passes. Their leading receiver was Steve Watson, decent but not great, catching 59. That was pretty much it. Troy Aikman. Yes, Aikman started his rookie season, but was pulled in game four for Steve Walsh, who started the next five games. Dallas also had very little talent at receiver that year. Kelvin Martin was pretty much it, catching 46 passes. Terry Bradshaw. Bradshaw only started 8 games in his rookie season, with Terry Hanratty starting the rest. Hanratty also played spelled Bradshaw in games TB started. Pitt's wideouts that year were soon discarded, not the names we associate with mid seventies Pitt teams - Smith, Shanklin and Bryant. So, not a single one of the players you mention started the whole year, and Elway did not start as Qb until game 5, when he was yanked, and did not start again until game seven. DeBerg was injured. And later in the season the Broncos started Kubiak in game 1o rather than play Elway. Aikman played for a truly awful team, but he did not start every game, either, yielding to Steve Walsh for five starts. Bradshaw also did not start every game, starting only 8 of 14 in his rookie year. In fact while he started on opening day, he was yanked for Terry Hanratty. So, if the argument is you have to keep your rookie Qb in there if you want him to turn out like Elway, Aikman or Bradshaw, that's not how those guys were handled. The facts do not back up that argument. In fact you can make the counter argument - even with those guys, being the prospects they were, their teams benched them when they did not play well, and this did not prevent them from blossoming into the big stars they became. Somebody in each case thought benching them was the right thing to do. Now I am not saying that Sanchez should be benched, but this Elway Aikman Bradshaw argument does not stand up.
Positions of difference between 2001 and 2004: LG 2001 - Kerry Jenkins, 2004 - Pete Kendall RG 2001 - Randy Thomas, 2004 - Brandon Moore RT 2001 - Jason Fabini (LT 2004), 2004 - Kareem McKenzie Note than only Brandon Moore, an undrafted free agent, is still on the Jets 5 years later. This is because the real talent all slipped away from Bradway's weak grasp. QB 2001 - Vinny, 2004 - Chad. This reflects Bradway how? WR 2001 - Coles, 2004 - Moss. Soon to be undone but too late by then. RDT 2001 - Steve Martin, 2004 - D-Rob. Yup, a real winner here. LDT 2001 - Shane Burton, 2004 - Jason Ferguson. Ferguson was injured in 2001. LOLB 2001 - Mo Lewis, 2004 - Victor Hobson. Now that's talent replacement. ROLB 2001 - James Farrior, 2004 - Eric Barton. MLB 2001 - Marvin Jones, 2004 - Jonathan Vilma. The only position that Bradway improved in his tenure with the Jets, and that only because Jones was aging out when he took over. LCB 2001 - Aaron Glenn, 2004 - Donnie Abraham RCB 2001 - Marcus Coleman, 2004 - David Barrett FS 2001 - Damien Robinson, 2004 - Erik Coleman SS 2001 - Victor Green, 2004 - Reggie Tongue Everybody gone again in the secondary because the good aging players that Bradway inherited were replaced with weaker players within a 4 year span. Kerry Rhodes is not as good a safety as Victor Green was. Bradway basically milked Parcells for as much as he could and then watched the team crumble piece by piece until 4-12 was left.
Elway, Aikman, Bradshaw didn't play as well as sanchez has played for us so far. That's not to say he'll be anywhere near as good as those guys but Sanchez has played very well for a rookie.
Another misleading statement. Elway's stats were pretty close to Sanchez's. Elway had a 54.9 rating in an era where the passing game was not supported by league rules the way it is today. That's about where Sanchez is right now. Yet they did not start John Elway, John F'ing Elway, the whole season. So how is that an argument that the Jets should stick with Sanchez? It isn't. Same with Aikman - his rating was 55.7. And the Cowboys pulled him for Steve Walsh. Troy F'ing Aikman. Bradshaw concededly had terrrible stats. But, Aikman and Elway's were about the same as Sanchez's. Their cases do not support your argument. Back in ignore for you for making such a misleading statement.
3/5 of the OL is a big # and fabini was our LT in 2001, Ryan Young was the RT. 2 of those 3 slots we upgraded(LG and RT) QB: he didn't draft Chad but his staff developed him. WR: 2001 we had Coles and Chrebet starting, in '04 we had Moss and McCareins DL: Robertson was a PB caliber player in 2004, that wa a HUGE upgrade from 2001. LB: Mo was at the end of his career, Hobson '04 was as good as Mo '01. How soon we forget everyone calling for them to get rid of Mo and Marvin. Barton was our best player in D in 2004 and let's not forget we offered Farrior more money and he chose to go to Pitt. Farrior was also a guy who had ONE good year in 5 years w/ the Jets. Aaron Glenn was a very overarted player here but we HAD tom lose him thanks to the cap problems TB inherited and Donnie Abe was a good corner for us. David barrett was better than marcus Coleman, Colemans was terrible. Damien Robinson-Erik Coleman was close. Victor Green '01 vs. tongue '04 was close. Kerry Rhodes is MUCH better than Victor Green was. Not even close. Parcells milked Steinberg/Kotite. What's the difference? except BP inherited a better cap situation where he didn't have tolose guys like hugh Douglas even though he did. We were 4-12 in 2005 b/c of injuries, in 2006 we won 10 games w/ alot of those same players that were healthy. Cap problems forced them not to overpay for OL. You have to factor that in, he re-tolled most of that D in 2002 b/c he had to and that team won a div title. They re-tooled it again after '03 and were a kicka way from the title game.
You are just looking at stats. Sanchez has had just 2 bad games which have greatly skewed his #s. PLEASE go back to ignore, PLEASE go back to the planet you come from.
