I think I'm somewhere around here, but I can't go with any of the choices given. The guy drives me absolutely bananas at times, but the offensive system is fine, and I'm not real keen on dramatic changes when we have a rookie quarterback learning the NFL. Someone here mentioned turning things over to Callahan. I just can't ever get over the story of the Raiders' Superbowl loss, where the Buccaneers were laughing because Callahan didn't change anything about the Gruden offense and Tampa Bay knew everything the Raiders were doing before they did it. I can't imagine handing everything over to someone that stupid.
Shotty sucks. If we want to win we need a top tier OC. Shotty is no where near that. Show me deisgned screens to wahsington, 4 bombs a game, quick slants over the middle, play action..nothing. He f-ing sucks.
Mangini was a DC not an OC, and i actually think he peeked when he was the ballboy for the Browns. Good news for him is he could probably have the job back if he asked.
Marc Trestman was the offensive coordinator for the Raiders in 2002. The Raiders scored the 2nd most points in the NFL that year and sent about half the offense to the Pro Bowl including the QB. Callahan should have made him change the offense completely before the Super Bowl because they were playing against Gruden? After the Raiders had scored 71 points in their two playoff games and slaughtered the Jets and Titans as a result? That's a new one. Hadn't heard that idea before. Sometimes you face the wrong guy at the end. Changing everything around and making one of the best offenses look different just because he might know what's coming if you don't? Sounds kind of fishy to me as a concept.
Cant vote. Starting as a rooking QB must be hard enough. Changing of coaches early in a career must be a total bitch. NFL radio was talking about this the other day. Listing players who struggle possibly because of the constant change in coordinators.
Callahan's rep, pro and con, in large measure is based upon not only falling short in the SB, which is not such a terrible thing, given that 30 other teams aren't even in the game, but also the way the Raiders fell apart the next year. Of course Davis was well on his way to senility by then, so you can't blame it all on Callahan. So while I agree that it was not all that clear that Callahan's failure to change up the O going into that SB is some kind of clear sign he is problematic in an OC role, you do have to add in the developments with the Raiders the following year. Also not to digress but the problems off the field before the game with the Raiders' center was a huge distraction, and I can't blame Callahan too much for that, either. The Jets took Callahan on as the OL coach and nothing more because he's working his way back up from the bad rep he got his final year with Oakland. Has he done a good job with the OL? I would say a very good, not awesome, job - after all he's got a lot of talent to work with, but the running game has been quite productive. Does that mean Callahan has shown he's material for the OC position? I'm not so sure about that one...
Very good post. I'm of the opinion that we keep him around, but Rex has to get more involved on that side of the ball. Sanchez has had his ups and downs this year, but I want to keep him in the same offense and Shotty to have the Same QB two years in a row for the first time. Otherwise we are just spinning our wheels with most of the progreess made this year.
I've been thinking about this for the past couple of weeks, and I think what weighs heavily on the scenario is exactly HOW the team finishes 8-8 (which I think they will). The Jets will run into some opponent that capitalize against our defense, because it is not without weaknesses. Once that happens, if Schotty's playcalling continues to go downhill like it did in 2008, you will have some of the information needed to determine who was truly at fault for what happened in 2008. I think there is probably a method to BS's madness concerning the playcalling this season. He hasn't really given up on the run like what happened in 2008. He has relied on it a lot to march down the field and get into the red zone. But his philosophy requires the offense to score from the red zone through the air. That's how it appears he is bringing Sanchez a lot. This could end up being great, but there are going to be a lot of bumps in the road for Sanchez, and we already hit 2 of them with New Orleans and Buffalo. If Sanchez is the guy that Schotty truly wanted, he will get better as the season progresses in a few areas and show clear improvement. His reads in the red zone will improve greatly, and that pesky rookie trait of staring down receivers will start to fade. If that happens, there's no way you can fire Schotty. I don't want to go through Herm Edwards/Pennington with this situation, where the young QB is required to learn 5 different playbooks. The rookie needs continuity. At this point, Schotty hasn't done enough in 2009 to make me think he should be fired. Had the odds not been stacked against him with injuries, his gameplans might not have ended up as frustrating as they appear.
You guys are pretty quick to toss people under the bus if you don't have immediate results. We tried immediate results (see: Brett Favre) and we know how that worked out. We have a franchise QB, HC and a relatively young team. Just because we don't go to the superbowl the first year, heads should roll? Relax. Shotty has been pretty good overall. He just got a new QB that was entirely untested, a new WR, lost our premiere "factor back", and it's going to take a little adjustment. The offense lost us two games out of 8 and I think you can arguably say that Sanchez was pretty much almost the sole reason behind them. Shotty cant help it if Sanchez doesn't look off receivers or throws terrible balls that end up being picks.
Nice post. I agree... Following up on the implication of part of your post, the Jets scored enough to win the first three games and were in the NO game despite having very little help at wideout. Since then Sanchez basically lost those two games, and Keller did not step up when Cotch went out. The best thing that has happened has been the Edwards signing, but the Jets will not have Leon on the field the rest of the year. BC has the opportunity to show he can use Edwards with Cotch now back and hopefully Keller becoming more consistent to upgrade the O despite Leon's absence. If he can do that, he stays.
Shouldn't be new to you. As the story goes. . . One would think that Callahan would have known as much about Gruden such that he would have had the same advantage. Seems that wasn't so. One of the two was a cement head.
If were going to fire coaches based on player execution than Westhoff certainly deserves the boot for last weeks debacle. However if were going to fire coaches based on game day performance, Ryan has to be considered as well. He has made some terribly bone head decisions on some real basic stuff. If Ryan really wanted an O that was less complex more geared toward the run and Shotty wasn't his man, it would have made sense to bring someone in before the season. Getting rid of Shotty now would just set back Sanchez another year. Reality is we are in year 1 of a 3 to 5 year rebuild. Shotty may be fine with a couple of years to work with the same QB and core players? He might not be but based on the outright unstable situation he has dealt with since day one on the job here, he doesn't yet deserve the boot. Based on the comments around here Paul Hackett would be the perfect guy right now.
What is so great about Shotty? The guy really hasn't made an impression of someone who can munipulate a defense. Unlike other NFL teams who create mismatches and take advantage of them. Looking at most of the passes Sanchez has completed just about all of them were being contested by a defender no one is ever in an ideal situation or wide open in Shotty 's dull ass offense
Schotty has had a lot of odds against him over the past 4 years, but nothing he has done has suggested that there is any overt genius behind the wheel of that offense. Mediocre offensive minds run the gameplan specific to their philosophy and not how their philosophy applies to the personnel they are able to acquire. 2007 is a wash because of the injuries and the terrible offensive line execution. Schotty did a decent job getting the team to work in an ad-hoc offensive gameplan last season tailored to Favre. That was a glimmer of hope for BS until Favre started getting up after hits in the backfield halfway through the season clutching his throwing arm to his side. Then we inexplicably put the entire offensive on that one injured arm and put the running game, which was working well at that time, on the back shelf. I think he did better for the first half of 2006 until defenses adjusted to the gameplan that he was limited to running with Chad throwing as weak as he was, and when teams adjusted to Schotty, he rarely had an answer. I believe we would end up writing that off to a rookie OC. Brian Schottenheimer may have some solid offensive philosophy and nice play design, but his situational playcall selection and personnel selection have never been anything to write home about. Dan Henning may have some flaws in his playcalling this season, but he got proactive out of the gate and tailored an offensive attack to the immediate strengths of his personnel, and it was good enough to win a division championship, as meager an accomplishment as that is these days.
I find it kind of interesting that the majority says we should have Ryan take over play calling when Schotty is out smarting himself, but thats a little difficult don't you think, I mean I dont know how into our offensive game plan is for each game, I just don't see how at a moments notice Schotty will just lose his job for the game. Also, when does Ryan pull the trigger after shity call number 7? 30? 50?
No we need to keep Shotty, firing him only stuns the growth of this offense, I think the man makes some dumb calls sometimes but let the guy develop he's still young. Once this offense is gelled together it could be potentially potent, I give him to atleast next season
People blame playcalling way too much and not the execution of the plays.. the only real bad game he called was the Bills game..
schotty needs to use what he has and STOP trying to outthink the other teams D-Coach. So many games he comes with what looks to be 10 or 20 scripted plays, then everything falls apart. Not everything is his fault though. The injurys to this team is insane this year!
What it really comes down to is that except for the period when Brett Favre was able to force changes in the Jet's offense, that offense has moved from average to poor and back again with regularity over Schotty's tenure. It's possible that he's had real personnel issues to deal with over that time, however the fact is that the offense has only looked good when all the tricksy crapola was off the table because you don't do that kind of stuff if Favre won't do it. Which essentially was the situation last year. We could be sitting here having this exact same argument next year easily, only if Schotty is still the coordinator and Sanchez is still the QB guess who is going to be getting most of the blame? You cannot expect to succeed running an offense that needs Peyton Manning or Tom Brady to really rev into high gear. Those guys don't play here. Earth to Schotty...
