i just went home for lunch and watched the play where sanchez zips a ball to braylon edwards near the goal line. i watched the replays all over again...slow motion in high def. there is a camera shot that gets it perfectly...the ball was on its way out (s.smith had his right hand firmly wrapped around it and was already pulling it towards him and away from edwards) BEFORE edwards crosses the plane. look, these are teh mechanics i saw in play: edwards caught it......great catch too...and possessed the ball firmly. no doubt. he gets hit and grabbed underneath while s.smith focuses on stripping the ball from on top. there is NO way edwards is going to cross the TD plane because he's being pulled the opposite direction by two miami defenders. while this is going on s.smith gets his right hand all the way underneath the ball and begins a jerk that is going to eventually rip the ball out. as soon smith begins to jerk it towards himself a jets player hits the pile and edwards starts falling forward towards the TD line. he has NOT crossed the plane. as he is falling forward s.smith is already pulling the ball towards him and edwards is trying to hang on. the ball eventually ends up in smith's hands but the interesting part is that the ball is NOT in edwards' control the moment he crosses the plane. from what i understand of the NFL rules, the receiver has to be in possession of the ball as he crosses the plane - in this case, he was NOT in possession...it was mid-strip and the momentum was clearly in favor of smith who ended up with the ball. forget for a moment that this happened to edwards during a game against miami: imagine a running back running solo across the field towards the touchdown...as he approaches the TD line he begins to lose control of the ball and by the time he crosses the plane the ball has more energy towards the fumble than the possession...when he finally crosses the plane he's copmletely lost possession of the ball - would you rule that TD or not? MIAMI GOT ROBBED. it should have been miami ball at the 20 yard line...not a jet's TD. please watch the replays from the game footage before posting. pause the game and go still by still. there are about 4-5 still shots of the ball out of possession and into the strip before edwards crosses the plane. again, i repeat....the ball was on its way out as he first crossed the plane
And Revis recovered the non-fumble, there you go there's your makeup call. You didn't get robbed it didnt cost you the game
Possession: When a player controls the ball throughout the act of clearly touching both feet, or any other part of his body other than his hand(s), to the ground inbounds.
i agree with you on the fumble BUT the jets could have called a timeout and didn't. additionally, miami wasn't awarded 7 points for that non-call.
its to tough a call to overturn after it is ruled a catch, i was kind of surprised that we didnt challenge it though, but if there is a tie up with offensive and defensive players, offense wins
It was a judgment call and it would never have been overruled even if Sparano had challenged. You need indisputable evidence to overrule that sort of play and there was none. So suck it.
you can't compare the two. r.ryan's own staff told him that miami came up with the ball and not to challenge. the jets had the benefit of watching their own replays in the booth - they blew it. granted the refs didn't catch it but the jets staff replayed it and called it and, again, the dolphins were not awarded 7 points for it. you know, i get bad calls on fumbles, on catches, on most plays- i get it, i understand it's part of the game....but when a play results in a TD...there needs to be extra attention given to it. just like that INT returned for a TD last week against the saints. sharper clearly fumbled it for touchback yet they were given 7 points! it can change the entire game's momentum. the play where s.smith stripped edwards of the ball was not replayed on the stadium screens until AFTER they attempted the 2 point conversion. miami's staff had not way of seeing any footage. it's at those moments the refs should call their damn time outs and get the calls right.
The ball crossed the imaginary plane while Edwards was in possession. At best it was shared possession when it did which gives the ball to the offense, hence TD. Sparano didn't challenge it because he clearly thought it was a TD. Not like the Jets rushed the ST unit on the field so it wouldn't get challenged.
The Jets called a TIME OUT after this touchdown because they wanted to go for two. The Dolphins had 2+ minutes to look over the play and decided not to challenge it. It was the right call on the field, stop trolling. And how could it be Miami's ball on the 20? In no case would this play result in a touchback because the ball was never "loose". If The Miami defender gained possession of the ball in the endzone, that would be a Jets TD because Edwards would have still had possession when the ball crossed the plane.
not even close. they both had their hands on the ball as it crossed the goal line, and by rule possession goes to the receiver in that instance who had possession first. it wouldn't have been a strip until the Fin had complete possession of the ball, which he didn't have until after it had crossed the goal line. in short, you don't know what the fuck it is you talkin'bout.
you are wrong and your statement proves it. Anytime a reciever and defender share possesion equally it is rewarded to the reciever. Your comment of mid strip, seems to refer to the fact that they possessed the ball equally as the ball crossed the goal line. A score is instant so if braylon had control of 50% of ball as he crossed goal line, its a touchdown.
