My overall point is this. Should Schotty have called more runs? Yes. Was Sanchez's execution of the plays that were called inexcusably bad, even for a rookie? Yes. This is not to say I don't still have faith in the guy...but today he was, in my opinion, the primary reason the Jets lost the game.
Im sorry but that is just plain dumb. The ONLY way the Jets will b successfull is balanced run/pass and you cant just stick your head in the ground and think that running 100% of the time is a succesful strategy. Just another ridiculous post in the wake of a Jets loss.
He's a rookie i understand but not so fast. The CS wasn't anything good but he still cant go out against a shitty team and throw 5 Interceptions, That cant fucking happen even if your a rookie.
Yep, Flacco had 1 TD 7 INT in his first 5 games. He did attempt about the same number of passes though, he averaged maybe around 30 attempts, including 38 in his 5th game. He didn't throw for much yardage either. Before this game, Sanchez was 5 TD 5 INT, and 900 something yards. I guess he was doing better than Flacco, and maybe comparable to Ben, but none of these guys ever had a 5 INT game their rookie season, and maybe one 3 INT game their rookie years between them. I mean you can look up these stats, I glanced over them a little while ago and just happened to have Flacco's game log open as I read this thread. Point is, you have to blame the QB. You can't just never pass in the NFL, if the QB is going to be that much of a liability, you need to find out so that you can draft another one the coming year. Preferably one with an arm that can make passes in the Meadowlands come windy conditions---which is pretty much every home game after October. I do think it's funny that this CS goes and drafts another weak armed QB when they ran the last weak armed QB they drafted out of town for an old man that once had a great arm (he might still have a good one, but he's also old as dirt). I really don't understand why it's so hard for people to admit that was an awful game. I'm no Schotty supporter, hell, I think the guy sucks, but how is never throwing a pass the proper gameplan? They played the run the entire way. You WANT the rookie QB to throw when they're playing the run. You want him to throw on 1st and 2nd down, instead of having to convert on 3rd and long all the time. Hell if you could just run for 5 yards a clip every time you ran the ball, nobody would ever pass the ball because all you'd ever have to do is run on every play until you scored. Of course that does not work at all, that's why even the Ravens would throw 30 times a game with Flacco. You just don't expect 5 INTs from a QB in the NFL. It happens sometimes to the really crappy ones, and maybe even to the really good ones, but it's really rare and usually against top defenses. I don't know that the Bills fit that bill, but whatever. If it's really on the CS, then the Jets probably can't win another game this season, as they're not about to get smarter overnight. If it's on the QB, at least he can improve since he's young. I don't know why you'd want to throw the entire CS under the bus and rule out the QB improving, but do whatever you want I guess.
If you would have said some of the blame falls on the shoulders of the CS I would have no problem. Yes Sanchez is a rookie but a rookie Qbs job on a team with a good D and good running game is to protect the football. Throwing 5 picks is not protecting the football obviously. I do believe that the CS set him up to fail yesterday but that doesn't change the fact that Sanchez himself did fail.
amen to that! telling it like it is. you should work for the jets, you have more insight then the entire offensive staff. and i do mean offensive...
I wasn't talking about running the ball in every game, just for one half of one game under the circumstances that existed yesterday. Yes, I admit Sanchez was bad, but he has only had one other bad game in his first 5 and he should have been protected yesterday. The Jets did not need to put points on the board in the second half until they let Buffalo back in the game with the picks.
I agree with the OP. I don't understand how Sanchez isn't being coddled more. Schotty's playcalling leaves me scratching my head. It's not that Sanchez is being asked to pass - it's the types of passes he is being asked to make. There are ways to simplify things for a young QB like rolling him out of the pocket, running max protect schemes etc. It just seems as if Schotty expects Sanchez to execute the playbook as if he were a 5 year vet and not an incredibly inexperienced(even for a rookie) QB.
I have said it before and I will say it again, this offensive scheme sucks, we have seen it before and we will see it again, the Jets offensive scheme will make bad defensive teams look like all pro defenses, it does not matter who we have on offense it's just a liability.
I would say the loss is part CS and part Sanchez. I really think if we just ran a bit more creatively and kept it tighter in the passing game, I think we would have won. Our D held the team to 13 points at the end of 4 qtrs. That usually gives you a very good chance of winning the football game.
Thank You .... MS does NOT have a weak arm ... PERIOD ... He's a ROOKIE and he will make rookie mistakes, trying to do too much, put balls in spots where he shouldn't ... That will get better ... Our receivers also have to shoulder some of the blame, I saw more than a few drops ( ..ie.. Keller ) ... and a couple of the INT's went off our recievers hands ... Knock it down if you can't catch it !!!
PERFECT.... That's what I came here to say.... Same thing last year when the World was pissed off at Brett Favre.. They had a new QB playing an Oakland team that couldn't stop the run and came out in an empty backfield for the whole 1st half...... From then on Favre was dinged as he took an unneccessary Pounding. Maybe It's Schottenheimer... BUT.. Rex's Identity for this team was supposed to be RUN FIRST... THAT is on REX.... With a rookie QB and Cold, Windy Conditions this game should have been 90% RUN THE BALL..... Sanchez should have been Babied like the baby he is at this point... They may even Ruin Sanchez if they coach him like this... THIS MY FRIENDS WAS ONE OF THE WORST DISPLAYS OF COACHING I"VE EVER SEEN. People are going to point to TJ's yards and say "They DID run".. But, that's BS, that just shows there was never a reason NOT to run - You make Buffalo with a 3rd string QB march the field and ear a W.. You don't hand them a ticket back into the game..... You have THREE capable RB's.... You use them till they can't even walk anymore... I'm a beaten down Jets fan but, this loss is among the Worst IMO... With Jenkins Down and all, this is top 10 material for sure... I'd rather lose 59-0.. Cuz, this game was already Won.
So the Jets should have run a wishbone offense in the second half? One INT came in the first half, one came in OT where they had to run a balanced offense. One of them was on fourth and three, hard to run on that. Another one worked like a punt anyway cause it was the senseless lollipop to Edwards. Sanchez wasn't rushed for most of the day, he had receivers open, he was simply dreadful. If he can't throw ten yard outs in moderate wind and light rain then we are in trouble.
WRONG.... It's cold and windy and you have a QB that has never seen it - Plus the running game was already winnig the game and you had a lead.. YOU RUN THE BALL ALL DAY.... IF The Bills can march the field a few times without Gimme Turnovers than you can pass if need be. But, Yesterdays game was already Won... You collect the Win... Get on a plane to the West Coast... Win another game in good weather and Sanchez continues to look at tape and develop without being asked to throw the ball in a wind tunnel if he doesn't have to.... I can't believe Football fans can't see this.... Again, look at the Ravens last year.. WE HAVE A ROOKIE QB IN HIS 1ST WINDY COLD DAY... I was scrwaming this the whole 2nd half... There was no more need to show pass at all... Punting was fine, if it came to that but, the runs were still getting chunks of yards.. Heck, throw short if need be... WHERE IS THE SCREEN PASS? HORRIBLE COACHING HORRIBLE PLAY CALLING.... Like Favre last year, Sanchez should not be in theses situations... But, fans don't get it.
I hate Schotty as much as the next guy, but Sanchez was absolutely horrible yesterday. He could not hit a receiver covered with stickum. His problems are at least fixable. He's never played in bad weather and he's going to for at least half the season, so he needs to figure out how to play in shit otherwise his life in ny won't last his career. Schotty needs to stop being cute and simply do what he's supposed to in crappy weather, run the fucking ball and don't stop until the bills stop you.
The point is.... HE DIDN"T NEED TO... You collect the Win and he gets his feet wet, looks at tape and comes back the Next cold windy day with a little more knowledge and experience... No reason to throw down field with a lead VS a 3rd string QB... You make Buffalo march the field and you play defense.
Two sides to this. First, I agree with the "run until it's stopped" thinking. That's all Schotts had to do to win. No cutesy stuff either. Just run it until you're inside FG range and take the 3pts. Evidently Schotts wanted to prove that Sanchez can play in adverse conditions. Didn't work out real good. Schotts owns this loss as much as Sanchez does. Secondly, we may have a problem folks. That would be Sanchez's ability to throw in the Meadowlands and the New park from Oct.1 on thru Dec 31st. This area has been known to make moderate armed QB's cry. Brady threw in a snowstorm and kicked the Titans ass up and down the field. So did his replacement. This was my initial worry about Sanchez. He's a SoCal boy and has never played in the cold. Scary thing is, its not really cold YET. So, not only do we have a baby growing up in the league, we have a warm weather kid learning how to play in the cold. Throw in a OC that sometimes overcomplicates things and you get yesterday's debacle.
There is plenty of blame to go around with yesterday's game. Despite Sanchez having a complete melt down this team managed to find itself in a position to win and it still choked it away. Coaching and play calling... absolutely an issue. You have to take care of a young QB like Sanchez and there is no way they were doing that yesterday. Losing Jenkins was a huge blow and defense did its job for most of the game and then seemed to start giving up after losing him. Penalties... horrible penalties at the worst of times... the holding call as Jones was pounding it down to the five. The false starts pinning us back in deep in OT... muffed kick (FG attempt)!!! It's easy to pick on Sanchez.. he's an easy target, but he didn't get there on his own. We went into that 4th quarter up 13-3... you have to put those games away.
Joe Willie White Shoes is right. There was no reason for Sanchez to be throwing the ball as much as he was yesterday.
TRUE.... I wasn't a proponent of Drafting Sanchez.... I Happily thought I was wrong for a second... But, All along I was jealous of QB's like Flacco and Cutler with the big arms..... Now...... I AM OFFICIALLY SCARED... If I was Rex Ryan I'd be wetting the bed at night.... I wanted to draft more defense and go with something like Clemens / Garcia for now... But, DAMN... You gotta baby Sanchez along..... Teams often don't start rookie QB's... We have one that barely played in college and BAM, they're calling offensive plays like he's a 10 year Vet.... UNBELIEVABLE.....
