Thank you for your wonderful contribution to this thread. May I suggest a remedial "Debate 101" class to brush up on some insults? I would recommend that you start off with a "my mom can beat up your mom" followed by a "your mom wears combat boots..." If find this to be an excellent opening gambit that will really throw your opponent off balance.
Crazy talk. This is a game changer, something our offense needs. Abraham + #4 + #71 for REGGIE FRIGGEN BUSH? DONE, signed sealed delivered. You're getting him on the cheap. You couldn't move up to #1 with that package.
Our offense needs a QB that can throw the ball and an offensive line to protect him. Reggie Bush is great if we are one RB away, but we are a RB, franchise QB, a LT, a center and a TE away from a pro offense. And that assessment is giving McCareins the benefit of the doubt. I know you are much smarter than that. RBs are the easiest position to draft in the NFL. Why?? Because their shelf life is about 5 years and they are one bad cut away from knee surgery.
I disagree and think Klecko has a good point. Too many of us fans get over excited on one player or get too mad at one player and seem to forget football is a team game and that most teams that are successful rely on more then one person. It's one thing to say we should pick Bush at #4, yes that might be close to a no brainer but to say that the three players we could get won't be worth more to the team then Reggie is not even close to a no brainer. When was the last team with only one "great" talent one the SB?
Bush isn't just a running back. He's a gamechanger. Every time he touches the ball he's a threat to go all the way. He is so versatile and can do so many things, he'll create matchup all over the field, and teams will have to gameplan to stop him. It's not that hard to find a guy who will give you 1000 yards, but it's only once in awhile that you get a chance to get a guy like this. I see your point, but I think we have to get him.
Actually , now that you mentioned it, I'm surprised that the Texans didn't trade out of the #1 pick if they decided not to go with Bush. I would have traded out for the #4,#29,#71 - even if it was less value. There would even be a small possibility that Williams would be there at #4. Bad value move on the part of the Texans. The Jets shouldn't duplicate the bonehead move of giving up picks for one guy.
So was Barry Sanders but the Lions weren't getting the SB because the rest of the talent around him wasn't good enough. TO didn't do enough in Philly to put them over the top and he's a game changer, same with Randy Moss in Minn (and sure enough not in Oakland). If the Jets have no passing game then Reggie is going to face 8-9 defenders. If the Jets have poor blocking then Reggie is going to have a lot of defenders in his face. Don't get me wrong I like Reggie and agree for the most part that he's special, just not that it's a slam dunk, no brainer to trade up for him.
Since I dug up my Keller thread earlier in the week, I decided to indulge myself and resurrect this one as well. So far I think I am on the money with this one.
Looks like Ngata would have been a hell of a player for us to take that year, but taking him at 4 was a reach.
You earned the right to do this with that Keller one. This is easily my favorite, though: If I had been a board member at that point, I'd have told you to consider the source.
Maybe but I do know this, had the Jets drafted Reggie Bush rather than New Orleans, he would average way more touches than what he has thus far with the Saints, particularly early on. It would have been out of pure necessity. We had no running backs at the time. Blaylock, Houston and Barlow are not even in the league anymore. Would more touches lead to better production? Who knows, but at the very least, it would definitively cement his bust status. Many thought Thomas Jones and Tiki Barber could not carry the load early on in their careers as well. I do get to see the Saints a lot and I think Bush suffers from the fact that he is treated like a part time player. Whenever he's on field, the defense tends to put a lot of focus one him. Thus far in is career, his greatest achievement has been has been his abilitity to draw a lot of attention, a glorified decoy if you will. His teammates benefit greatly from this but it doesn't do much for how he is perceived.
We also wouldn't have drafted Leon Washington. I don't know about you, but I'd rather have the RB who can consistently run the ball well in addition to being a pass-catching threat. He's also been a much cheaper option thus far. Oh, did I mention we got that pass-catching, consistent threat runner AND a solid left tackle out of the way our draft played out?
i was never for moving up to draft bush to begin with and i love busting my buddies balls about it bc he was so pissed off we didnt try to make the move. if we move up to draft bush we do not draft mangold, dbrick, or leon. idk about you guys but id take 2 pro bowelers and 1 solid player then of traded up for a player that has yet to reach expectations
I was opposed to Bush AND Leinart, but only because I watch a ton of USC football and saw holes in both of their games. I could understand the appeal of both, especially Bush, to the Jets fan community. I'm not surprised, however, that neither one has achieved his expectations so far.
I think the important thing to remember is... Leon Washington>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Reggie Bush It used to be that people would say "Leon is a poor man's Reggie Bush." Nobody is saying that now. ADDED: Just read the post a few above Ig. Right on. If somebody really wants to impress, show me the "We Need to Draft Mangold!" thread.
This guy nailed it. 1st place) http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=3171 2nd place) http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=4986 consolation) http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=3378
