First cuts WR Marcus Henry, TE Kevin Brock & TE Jack Simmons

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  1. Miamipuck

    Miamipuck New Member

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    Wright would get picked up faster then Woodhead if they both are cut. In fact it would not be close.

    Smith is not better than Wright. Wright makes more special teams plays than Smith.

    Look, Wright is not a luxury. I am not going to argue how important special teams is. You are a frequent poster and know that. Woodhead on the other hand is a luxury. There would be 3 backs ahead of him not too mention he would take Caulcrick's spot who is desperately needed depth behind Richardson.

    I get the Woodhead love, really I do. I am not one of those guys that subscribe to it. Lets just agree to disagree.

    Edit: re: the bolded portion..... I was completely wrong to make that assumption, he has no clue.
     
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  2. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Outside of Leon...who is the better change of pace back? Or creates an immediate mismatch when motioned out of the backfield?


    If you pay Leon 5-6 mil, and structure the team for him to get 300 touches, you would pass up a serviceable replacement that costs next to nothing?
     
  3. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Caulcrick is behind only TR in terms of the fullback position. It's pretty convenient to assume that Hunter, Turner or Hartsock could just step in and pick up all of the fullback blocking assignments in the playbook. Convenient, but not realistic. They have their own positions to play and will likely only shift to fullback alignment in limited time, only certain situations. Tony Richardson is 37 years old and he's already been getting dinged up in the offseason. He gets hurt at his age, and you make a TE or OL your stand-in fullback, you severely limit your running game in terms of the playbook.
     
  4. Miamipuck

    Miamipuck New Member

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    Let me get this straight...........

    Wayne Hunter and Robert Turner basically the only 2 semi viable parts of the Jets O-line depth duplicate Caulcrick and are ahead of him on the depth chart?

    Not too mention Hartsock the only servicable blocking TE is also ahead of Caulcrick on the depth chart?

    Wow I never knew Caulcrick was also a back up O-lineman, a back up TE and also the only viable Fb on the team not named Richardson.

    I just don't get this.
     
  5. fenwyr

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    If Woodhead didn't look like an extra from High School Musical we wouldne't even be having this conversation with the doubters.

    I get it, he's white. So what! He's also the second fastest RB on the roster. He has shown serious potential as a kick and punt returner. If we let Jones walk next season he'd be the perfect 3rd RB behind Washington and Greene.

    If we try to put him on the practice squad he'd never clear waivers. Wright is NOT an NFL receiver. Just like Dearth is NOT and NFL tight end. Woodhead can play on the coverage units, return kicks and punts, and be an insurance policy for Leon, unlike the aforementioned unitaskers.

    Taking up roster spots with non-starters that can only do 1 thing is lazy in my opinion. If we have the best ST coach in the league, he should be able to make guys that actually contribute in other areas proficient at long snapping or tackling guys on kick offs.
     
  6. Miamipuck

    Miamipuck New Member

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    He is a running back. Green and Jones are way better than Woodhead. It is not even close. Yes I am saying this to be clear, at this point Woodhead would not be very good against a #1 defensive unit. I said it and stand by this!
     
  7. Miamipuck

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    So you think I think Woodhead isnt that good because he is fucking white? is that what you think?

    BTW what you wrote in the above is so wrong it is not even funny. Do some research into how important special teams is to any good or great coach.
     
  8. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    How can he NOT be next?
     
  9. fenwyr

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    He is a wide receiver. Cotchery, Stuckey, Clowney, and Smith are way better than Wright. It is not even close. Yes I am saying this to be clear, at this point Wright would not be very good against a #1 defensive unit. I said it and stand by this!
     
  10. fenwyr

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    Yes, I absolutely believe it comes into your thinking.

    Special teams is extremely important. You have 53 roster spots. You need a punter and kicker. You don't need to take up 2 or more roster spots on guys that do nothing in any other aspect of the game, and have ZERO potential to ever contribute in the NFL at their respective positions.
     
  11. JetsFan

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    Agreed, Wright isn't even a WR option at this point, Woodhead can't catch really good coming out of the backfield.
     
  12. Miamipuck

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    I get it, insert the red herring. See the one thing I will not do is argue against faux logic. To deflect against your argument you have to resort to this and racial shit. I would rather argue with Raiderjoe at least he is upfront about arguing the absurd.
     
  13. Miamipuck

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    Then you are truly a fucking idiot and not worth my time.


    Edit: I just want to say that race is way more important to the guys that love Woodhead than to the people that think he is nothing special.
     
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    I just want to put my two cents in.

    A lot of people who are black like to see black QB do great because it is historically a white position.

    A lot of white people like to see white RBs do well in a position that for the last 30 years has been mostly black players.
     
  15. StreetFighterJet

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    That's ridiculous. We have tons of PR / KRs. Leon's backup? Teams have 2 HBs that they use regularly, not HB 1 and his backup and HB 2 and his backup.

    Getting rid of your best gunner for a HB that will never play is ridiculous.
     
  16. Steve032

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    You just contradicted yourself. So we can't use a roster spot on Wallace Wright because he is a special teams ACE and actually makes plays for us, but we can use one on Woodhead who most likely will not see a single snap all season for us?
     
  17. StreetFighterJet

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    Look this is going to be a season where field position will be crucial. You can't get rid of Wright and Smith because they are some of the best gunners in the NFL and can pin people deep on their end.

    Woodhead would be nothing more than a luxury as someone already posted. You stick his ass on the practice squad and I guarantee you no one will pick him up.

    Leon Washington is good in this league because he is insanely quick, very strong and has breakaway speed.

    Woodhead is probably shorter than Leon if that's possible, or at least he looks shorter, is not as quick as Leon and I don't know how good of a pass catcher he is cause we haven't really seen much of that from him. Also he does not have breakaway speed. He would be caught from behind more often than not.

    The kid will be cut, face facts, let it go, its a nice story and all but he doesn't fit. You keep 3 HBs, you don't need 4 especially when you have a lot of faith in your top 3.

    When would he even dress for a game?!
     
  18. Miamipuck

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    Very good post and exactly my argument. I do not know why people have to take it personal and not just agree to disagree.
     
  19. kbgreen

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    not if he is using them on his avatar that would be cruel!
     
  20. GBA

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    Woodhead's bigger than Leon, he just looks shorter cause his helmet makes him look like a bobblehead. I like Woodhead too, but he wouldn't even be a 'change of pace' back. He doesn't have any abilities to set him apart from Leon, TJ, and Greene so there's no reason to keep him aside from depth, which we already have. He'd be JAG on the roster if he made the team. If we lose Jones next year I'd be all for bringing him up from the PS, assuming he doesn't get picked up on waivers.
     

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