Technically illegal but I've never heard/seen anyone get arrested for it. I see guys walking around going "Tickets! I've got tickets!" right near cops and the cops don't do anything. That being said, I'm not gonna go bail you out if you actually get in trouble. As for your second point, the average fan can't afford season tickets. That's the real problem. Maybe if enough season ticket holders get screwed in the secondary market that I've been describing, they will stop paying so much to buy tickets and Woody will finally bring prices back down to earth. But that's probably not going to happen because the people buying season tickets are often either rich themselves, getting tickets from corporations or they are scalpers. Rich people and corporation don't give a fuck what the tickets cost and scalpers feed on morons who are willing to pay 2, 3, 4 times face. The main point being - why should I have to pay more than I have to in the name of the "average" Jets fan?
Just because you are an "honest" Jets fan who gets screwed by the team by paying exhorbitant prices for season tickets (which no one forced you to do, by the way) doesn't make it right to screw other "honest" Jets fans into paying a mark-up for your resold tickets. Just cuz you are dumb enough to pay out the ass for tickets doesn't mean other fans should have to subsidize your stupidity.
Good advice - you can often find people in the bus station to buy tickets off of. The advantage to buying at the stadium right before kickoff is that it's do or die for the seller and they will sell it to you for less just to get into the game on time. Also, tickets lose their value VERY quickly once the game starts so, if you are willing to miss the first 5-10 minutes of the game, you can get the tickets for even cheaper.
Just because it's not enforced doesn't make it any less illegal. High ticket prices are an issue across all sports, it's not exclusive to the Jets. But IMO, if you can't afford to pay the bare minimum for a seat (face value) you have no business going to the game to begin with. Your argument goes both ways...why should the average Jets fan have to eat 75% or more of the cost of a ticket for the sake of you getting a cheap ticket?
Where did you hear scalping was illegal in NY? It isn't. While I hate secondary markups, I hate regulation even more, so I'm all for an open ticket markets. Let demand determine price.
Giants Stadium is in NJ not NY, and by law, reselling tickets on the premises, or even in the "vicinity" of the event is illegal. If you want to get technical, all scalpers must conform to a bunch of state and federal laws. See below: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Jersey Ticket Reselling Laws • Requires anyone engaged in the business of ticket reselling to register • Sets standards for registered ticket brokers, including (1) maintaining a permanent office in-state, (2) paying an annual registration fee that may be as much as $ 500, and (3) disclosing its refund policy • Prohibits using “diggers,” or people temporarily hired to secure tickets by intimidating purchasers waiting in line to buy tickets • Requires brokers to disclose when they are employing “try and get,” which is accepting a ticket order before possessing the tickets • Must file a $ 10,000 bond conditioned on the promise that the broker and employees will not be guilty of fraud, extortion, or violation of the ticket broker law • Limits the amount above face value that someone who is not a registered ticket broker or season ticket holder may charge to the greater of $ 3 or 20% of face value • Limits the amount above face value that someone who is a registered ticket broker or season ticket holder to 50% above the amount paid for the ticket • Prohibits reselling tickets in the vicinity of an event except in designated areas • Prohibits giving anything valuable to an event employee to obtain tickets • Prohibits original sellers from holding back more than 5% of the tickets • Requires the licensing agency and event sponsors to create a way for season ticket and other ticket holders to legally sell their tickets back to the venue (N. J. Rev. Stat. ?? 56: 8-26 to 56: 8-38) http://www.cga.ct.gov/2006/rpt/2006-R-0761.htm
Ahhh yes, the whole NY/NJ thing...that's where I went wrong. ...but, It is not illegal to resell tickets, just not on entertainment complex properties, and not for more than 20% or $3.00 markup without being a registered reseller. edit: and I was wrong about the NY thing by two months: Wouldn't you know it was some douchebag democrat trying to make more rules to tell us what to do.
I see what you're saying. My main issue from my first post of this thread is the shady, underground scalpers that wander the parking lot and sell $100 tickets for $20. They are the douchebags that are undercutting everybody else and causing ticket prices to be artificially low. I agree with you, we don't need any new laws, but the laws that are already on the books need to be enforced.
I think some of you are still not getting what "market driven" means. In fact, the use of terms like "undercutting" and "honest Jets fans" getting "screwed" tells me you're still looking at ticket resales in an emotional way. Remove emotion (and legality) from all this. Tickets will sell for whatever the market will allow them to sell for, period. The scalper who is prowling the parking lot and selling the $100 tickets for $20 isn't "undercutting" or "screwing" anyone. He's simple getting whatever the tickets are worth that day based on availability. And he could care less about legality. It's rarely if ever enforced. And speaking of availability, Kolber should have issued the caveat that tickets can be had cheaply in the parking lot on the day of the game PROVIDED that the game isn't a Patriots game on a warm, sunny day with the Jets in contention for playoffs and in a position to knock the Patriots out of contention, for example. His "always below face value" availability on that day goes out the window pronto. When Curb Man (this is the guy who my wife aptly named who stands at the phone booths at 16W and flags down cars from the curb, looking for tickets to buy) has to pay $150 that day for a $75 ticket, good luck getting off the train without a ticket and $50 in your pocket. But in general, Kolber is right... at least his theory in general is right about USUALLY being able to pick up tickets at Face or below, especially recently. But that could all change with this team now and with Ryan, Sanchez, etc. And like I say, it's all market driven. Given a rainy, cold day and the Jets are 3-10 playing Whoever The Hell, yes, the tickets will be ridiculously cheap. But on a nice day in December and we're 9-4 and playing Miami for Home Field Advantage, don't expect to even find one ticket anywhere near face. It ain't gonna happen.
I think you are missing the point. Legality has everything to do with it. How can season ticket holders compete with the sleazeball illegally selling that $100 seat for 80% off outside the stadium? I would rather wipe my ass with the ticket than sell it for $20. If the laws were enforced as they should be, the scalpers wouldn't be wandering the parking lots anymore and the supply of those $20 tickets would be depleted. Season ticket holders could then sell their unused tickets for a more mutually reasonable price. Again, there is a difference between the open market and the black market. The black market does undercut the open market, and it's not just exclusive to entertainment event ticket sales. It happens everywhere.
Somewhere in between the time you purchase the ticket and the beginning of the game the ticket becomes worthless. If there was more demand for Jets tickets then the price around gametime would be higher. You are assuming that hours before gameday that your ticket is actually worth a set value(the price determined by the Jets as face value). In reality, the actual value of the ticket is determined by the supply of tickets for sale and the demand for tickets. When the supply of tickets is greater than the actual demand for tickets, you have to decrease your prices. Nothing do with a black market or an open market.
If the average Jets fan bought a ticket they can't use then they were dumb to begin with and, thereore, deserve to eat the 75%. Don't buy something if you won't use it.
Good points all around but, while it is definitely more difficult to get tickets to an important or meaningful game, you can still find bargains near the stadium more often than not. Keep in mind that scalpers, rich people and corporations (which is who buys the majority of Jets tickets) don't give a crap who the Jets are playing or what's on the line. So there will always be extras - just more people willing to pay scalpers for an important game. Either way, the basic point is don't assume that a $100 ticket is worth $300 just becuase it is selling for that much on EBay or StubHub.
speaking of tickets i have 2 to tonights game im trying to offload due to illness. anyone interested?
I got two tickets midfield uppers for 50 bucks a piece on ebay earlier in the week for the titans game...
I did this in J-Ville when they played the Jets. Went to the game without tickets. Watched the game lower level 30 yard line, 15 rows back for $50
I took train to game last night and you do not have to show your tickets. That would be impossible to enforce as lots of people meet their buddies who are tailgating and they have the tickets.
I had been a season tix holder for the past 15 years up until this season. I agree with what Namath2Kobler says. I have never been to an away game that was sold out and not gotten a ticket for more than face. Always for less. There is ALWAYS someone selling tix at any venue, not just football. Since it was difficult to get rid of my tix at face value from time to time, I've decided to just go the route of picking them up at the stadium. Never fails.
anyone have any update on parking lot ticket hunting. Trying to go to the bills game today with a buddy. Obviously we don't have tickets and its supposed to be raining heavily. Anyone have ideas on how to facilitate this transaction in addition to the op. thanks
