I feel a little bit bad for Clemens, he didn't really get outplayed by Sanchez up till now (granted, he didn't outplay Sanchez either), but Sanchez had the virtue of being the high pick. Anyway, good luck Mark. Let's hope for a Ryan/Flacco-esque year.
Clemens had more control and looked much better than Sanchez Monday (besides his terrible pick 6). The problem for him was it was against back ups and Sanchez was against one of the best defenses in the league. Clemens never had a chance. I don't like the move to start Sanchez this early, but I knew it was going to happen. Is he the youngest QB to ever start an NFL game?
The QB on the Jets when Clemens arrived was the perfect example of a rookie QB's nightmare to compete with: a respected veteran who knew the system inside and out and was very careful not to make mistakes on the field, even to the point of not taking necessary chances if they might come back at him instead. I think Chad Pennington retarded Clemens development in a huge way and essentially crippled his chances at being a starting QB in the NFL. He didn't do this on purpose he did it just by being Chad - with all the positives and negatives that that has entailed over the years. The one thing he could have done for Clemens that he did not do would have been to get hurt early in 2007 as he did like clockwork in 2003 and 2005. By the time he lost the job the season was over and Clemens mopped up in an almost reasonable fashion at the helm of a completely dispirited team.
Even Namath didn't start until week 3. This is the first since 1960 and the Jets (Titans) first game ever.
No, not possibly. He was a redshirt junior last year at USC. This would have been his 5th year there if he went back for his senior year. Among recent QB's Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning were about the same age when they started their first game in the NFL. Aikman was about 10 days younger and Manning was 6 months younger. Sanchez will be 23 on November 11th. Aikman turned 23 on November 21st, 1989. Manning turned 23 after his first season was over on March 24th, 1999. Edit: ok just double-checked and what I should have said was that the Dallas Cowboy's starting QB in the first game of the 1989 season was younger than Sanchez is. Aikman (11/21/66) and Steve Walsh (12/1/66) started the Cowboys 16 games that year. I do not know which of them actually started game 1. Either of them were younger than Sanchez is right now though when that game was played.
Wow, I thought we were done blaming Chad for everything. Clemens is his own guy, his failure to beat out a rookie in his 4th year in the same offense is his own fault. Also, Chad got hurt in Week 1 of 2007 and Clemens started in Week 2. Aside from a couple of nice drives aided by long YAC from Cotchery, he didn't do much and we lost the game. He led us to very few TDs when he played and still makes dumb, crippling mistakes. Chad is in Miami now, it's not his fault.
It's a fair argument, but I wouldn't make it quite so cut and dry as that. There is an argument to be made for Kellen struggling to learn under a vastly different QB. As you said, however, the approach did work for Chad. He was successful to an extent while he was here, and if blame for that situation needs to be placed, it would be on the coaching staff rather than on #10.
Look at what is happening to Miami's young QB's now though. They're dealing with the "Chad Perfect" phenomenon also and they're having the same issues that Clemens had. Miami has spent a 2nd round pick on a QB for 3 years running now and one of them has been cut and the other two are staring at Chad and wondering how they can compete well with a guy who never makes mistakes until the playoffs. Chad Henne is actually outplaying Chad Pennington in camp at this point. Want to lay odds on him winning the starting job?
Right... Alio the FOOL is telling me that it'll affects my ability to think? I didn't suggest the trade. I just said it makes sense. Go do ur homework before u start to cry.
The object of an NFL team and coaching staff is to win games, which Pennington does, bottom line. The only reason you develop young QBs is so they can get on the field and win, if you have a guy that already can do that you play him. It's an excuse, plain and simple. Tom Brady was behind Drew Bledsoe--a QB in his prime who was the solidly entrenched franchise guy, who had taken them to a Super Bowl. If you're good enough when you get on the field it doesn't matter who is or was in front of you.
Wow...we are still going around blaming Chad, even after all those years of work he put in for the Jets. I have no idea how Chad makes Clemens a bad QB, but apparently some posters here think so.
Yea, but Alio is right in this case. A 2nd and Clemens for Marshall and Simms? Not anywhere near viable. Denver is looking for a first for Marshall alone. I don't see Clemens making up the point difference from a first to a second. Not even close. If he can not beat out a rookie, then he's not about to beat out a QB who has started in the NFL and thrown less picks than TD's which is something KC can not boast.
At least after the couple of INTS, I really liked the fact that I didn't see Ryan Leaf on the side lines.
Yeah, I still would have called it even after the Monday night game, basically. I hope Sanchez can get a win in week 1 against the Texans because the ante goes up pretty fast after that.
Don't forget, Marshall is unhappy in Denver and they are willing to let him go, even though they might not say it publicly. He's unhappy and they gotta do something about it. A second for Marshal is definately not enough, but when we give up KC and ask for Simms (or don't bother actually), it does affect what u are giving them. They get someone who can start on their team (Orton preseason = 4 picks in 42 attempts for a 5th yr vet???). In the worse case, they get a very good backup (for a backup, KC would be very good). A second and a 5th along with KC should be good enough, I wouldn't offer a dime over that.
