Dustin Keller is our #1 wide receiver.

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Choose your TJ trade

  1. TJ is traded for future draft selections.

    27.7%
  2. TJ is traded for a starting wideout.

    39.4%
  3. TJ is traded for a blocking TE and depth at OL.

    7.4%
  4. TJ is trade for a blocking TE and depth at DL.

    4.3%
  5. Other (explain?)

    21.3%
  1. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    All I said was he has not shown all that much as of yet. Neither of us knows what he will do this year. I hope as much as anyone he has a great season. He could be another Dave Casper, or Bavarro, or even Mickey Shuler. That would be great.

    But as I said before Keller's stats dropped off while the starting wideouts did not in the last four games. If I were a Favre partisan I might attribute a huge part of Brett's problems to that.

    And even if opponents were double teaming him, those same opponents won most of those games, the exception being the game Ellis fell on the ball in the end zone. Now, if the Jets could not make opponents pay for that defense, what does it say about this year?

    I agree, it remains to be seen, but I have my concerns.
     
  2. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    The reason Keller fell off last season was because Favre stopped throwing to him. Everyone knows I was a big Favre supporter (and still am) but this is the one thing that drove me absolutely insane last year. Keller was a force in the middle of the field, and Brett just inexplicably stopped throwing to him.

    That said, I wonder how much of Keller's being open so often was a product of having Coles and Cotchery on the field at the same time. We're going to see this year. I think Keller is going to be an elite tight end over his career, however, I don't see him being the key to making our passing game work. Keller and Cotchery are going to be great weapons for Sanchez, but we need a true #1 WR on the field to make our passing game effective.

    I'm willing to wait until the next draft for it. While I'd happily trade TJ for a WR, I don't think we're going to have more than 6 wins this year anyway, so with a deep draft coming, I'm patient enough to wait it out, but it must be addressed. Keller and Cotchery are not enough.
     
  3. ThunderbirdJet

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    Greene is in no way shape of form ready to assume half of TJ's job.... can't catch, probably can't pick up a blitz.... and Jones is the vet leader on the O at this point.

    If Sanchez is ready, Keller, Cotch, Stuckey in the slot and Clowney as the deep threat (which we haven't had since WW) will be fine. Clemens is like Chad II.... good leader, smart, can read the D, can lead, but has not the arm to use Clowney's speed to get deep.

    I would be pissed off beyond belief if we traded Jones.... Greene is no where near ready.
     
  4. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Clemens has a far stronger arm than both Sanchez and Pennington (pre-shoulder cuff). His arm strength has never been in question.
     
  5. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    Yeah, my opinion since 2 seasons ago is that Clemens is the exact opposite of Chad in every way.

    I think Sanchez is more Chad-like, with a better arm. Man, I hope so.
     
  6. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Yeah, that rainbow to Clowney didn't bolster my opinion of Sanchez' arm strength any.
     
  7. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    I didn't think it was that bad. Definitely better than the floaters Chad threw.

    He's not throwing darts, sure, but Clemens has a good arm, yet eats paint chips. I'll take Sanchez.

    Besides, that makes Keller perfect for Sanchez. A short-field option to throw to. If Chad had Keller years ago I doubt we'd ever have seen Brett in Green and White.

    Who knows, maybe this disputes my opinion that we need a real #1. Maybe between the run game and a shorter passing game, focusing on short-field passes to Cotchery and Keller, and occasionally a mid-range shot to Clowney, we can make a legit offensive attack. Trust me, I'd love it if that were the case. I much prefer shorter plays, focusing on ball control over quick scores. I don't mind winning games 6-3, 10-7, hell 2-0.
     
  8. Big Derty

    Big Derty Active Member

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    I didnt think there was anything wrong with it at all. It was 50 yards in there air, he had to drop it in on Clowney because the defender was right with him.

    Jesus, all the nitpicking, Sanchez has more than an adequate arm. Quit looking for something to be negative about. The zip on his passes was a welcome change to what we have been watching with Penny for a long time. If Chad could get us 10 W's with that arm we have NOTHING to worry about in terms of arm strength with Sanchez.
     
  9. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    Was this rant directed at me? Because I wasn't complaining, or even nitpicking on Sanchez. I'm happy he's going to be our starting QB.
     
  10. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I'm not saying he has a weak arm, I just want to see some routes when he puts some oomph on it. Most QBs can zip in intermediates like he was doing to Keller. The rainbow pass was well placed and had nice touch, but it's a pass that I remember Chad being able to make as well in 2002. It's not really a knock on him, just not an illustration of what kind of an arm he has.

    And so far, I haven't seen too much nitpicking of Sanchez. Mostly knob polishing. I'll be a skeptic until he proves me wrong.
     
  11. ukjetsfan

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    I don't think we'd get much value in the form of a WR, but we could pick up a useful o-lineman and that's where we'll need to be strong all year. I can't see all five starters playing all year again, so we need a very capable back-up, something we might just get for TJ. So I voted 'Other' - I'd just trade him for o-line help IF I had to trade him.

    My overwhelming preference, however, would be to keep him and let him be part of a dominating three-headed ground attack. The nastiest since Cerberus.
     
  12. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Yeah really.

    Here's one.

    If Sanchez can't show more zip on his passes, that would be





    troubling.
     
  13. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    On that I definitely agree. My only thing is that I'm certain he gives us a better chance to win than Clemens does, so I want him to start.

    But everyone is basing their manlove for him on a college season and a single NFL preseason second string drive.
     
  14. Attackett

    Attackett Well-Known Member

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    Not exactly, my man love for him has more to do with the fact that he possesses every quality it takes to become a great QB in this league. When a Qb has the physical talent of Sanchez combined with his drive and work ethic that QB is going to succeed in this league, barring injury of course.
     
  15. Big Derty

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    Sorry qouted the wrong msg. Intended on using the qoute about the "rainbow" right above yours.
     
  16. Big Derty

    Big Derty Active Member

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    Well I agree that I would like to see some other routes as well. And we will next game.

    Maybe I am on my own here but I think that he did not put everything into that pass, it looks like he put on the perfect amount of touch and took enough zip off it to drop it right in where it needed to be.

    Look at the play again, it traveled 45 yards in the air in tight coverage. I have never seen Pennington make a play like that where I was not holding my breath until it came down.

    Again, we have more to see from the kid but I am encouraged. And again, what I initially intended on posting about was the fact that his arm strength is more than adequate and will by no means be the deciding factor in holding him back from being an elitel QB should he progress.
     

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