Zach Miller won't touch Keller's numbers this year. Quit being delusional. If you believe he will, then you probably also believe that; Russell is better then Manning, DHB is better then Fitzgerald, McFadden/Fargas is better then Peterson...so on and so on.... I think you really are Al Davis...because nobody, except him, is this fucking nuts.
Speed doesn't mean just running deep routes. I thought you already knew that: Did Favre play like a HoFer last year? Once he got injured and started making poor decisions, he played at the level of a rookie QB. Don't spin it to make it sound like we had the 'real' Favre in his prime at the helm, because that just wasn't the case. Hmm, so if this thread was, Who's a Better QB - Joe Montana or Jamarcus Russel - you would say that the two can't be compared because they didn't play in the league at the same time? Yes, because there are so many FBs in the NFL who have a large amount of TDs...
wow, it's not often someone has an argument with jeaux and has a larger bullshit to fact ratio than him, congrats. All NFL TEs have to be able to block, it's a major part of their job description, they set the edge on many run plays. they pick up the OLB or S when there is a blitz in many protection schemes, a TE who can't block is a major problem, it limits the plays and protections you can call with him on the field. A TE who can't block is just a slow WR. And not to inject too much fact into this, but OAkland finished 10th in the NFL in rushing a whopping 17 yards behind the jets. now I'm not an Oakland fan, but your ridiculous notion that Keller is in some way a far superior player to Miller is based on nothing but hope and bullshit.
Johnny Mitchell had speed too but I don't think anyone consider him one of the best Te when he played either. There goes more into playing TE than just speed. 1. can you block, Route running , and Hands. All where Zach Miller is way better than Dustin Keller and its not even close. First Favre was a big part of the Jets running sucess and to a degree Dustin Keller. The fact is most every team dropped their safeties way off the line of scrimmage to protect against Favre reputation. (one of the best deep throwers) Was it justified. NO but Jets running game and Keller benefited from that tremendously NOw was it Favre or Dustin Keller more to blame for his ineffectiveness. Keller started to see less and less time because he had trouble holding onto the football. Speed kills but if you have Johnnie Lam jones hands, what good are you, especially as a Te.(one dimential Te- recieving threat LMao) Its fun to do and all to compare players from diffrent areas but you really can't do it. You just don't know. All your basing it on stats, where the variable has changed. Let me give you an example maybe explain my point better. Dan Dierkoff was a hall of fame Olineman 270 pounds. How many 270 pounders on the olinetoday. You play at that weight and your not dominating anyone today. Hey Dan meet Kris Jenkins 6'4 360. You missed the point again. You have a short yardage specialist and his job is to run the ball in those situations. Your going to give him all the credit for Tds, when maybe another Rb did all the hard work. Lets say Leon Washington broke a twenty yard run and was tackled at 1. Jets bring in Shonn Greeene(their short yardage specialist) He runs it in. See Jerome Bettis- later in his career. When ever they got close he was the RB that would get the ball near the goalline.
I can understand if you think Miller is a little better (I don't agree), but this statement is ridiculous. I think you know that though.
Thyis is the whole statement. There goes more into playing TE than just speed. 1. can you block, Route running , and Hands. All where Zach Miller is way better than Dustin Keller and its not even close. Question 1. who is the better blocker. Keller or Zach Miller 2. Who runs better pass patterns . Keller or Zach Miller 3 who has the better hands. Keller oR zach miller. Now which one would you say Keller better than zach miller. Defintely not blocker. Defintely not route running as there is areason Zach Miller numbers are way better, despite not being as fast as Keller. Third Keller was benched last year because of case of droppsies. what does that tell you about his hands. Again explain your position and why my statement is wrong.
I watched Keller this weekend, he looked impressive. As I've said before, I still think Miller is the better all around TE. He's an exceptional blocker, finds openings in the defense, and is extremely sure handed. Pretty good after the catch too, and his 13.9 average per catch last year was easily the best YPC of any TE with at least 50 catches. Better than Witten, Gonzo, Gates, all of them. So I do think Miller is the better player but I think Keller will have the better numbers this year. The Raider WRs look ready to make some plays this year and I think Russell won't have to lean on the TE as much. As for the Jets, I think Keller is clearly their most dynamic receiving option, not including Leon out of the backfield. The combination of a rookie QB, Keller's great ability, and the lack of playmakers on the outside will add up to a better statistical year for Keller in my opinion.
I disagree bigtime. Raiders as you know have some playmakers at WR. DHb going to be the deep threat to stretch the field. D Mcfadden occassionally moving outside before the snap, going to get alot of attention from defense. That in turn going to open the middle even more for zach miller to exploit. We Know that is probably Jamarcus Russell best pass he throws that deep pass down the seam. Also Raiders didn't draft TE Brandon Meyer for no reason. Hes going to free up Zach Miller to go out for more recieving chances. Jets doln't have alot of weapons that can hurt a defense. Which means Keller might seee more double teams. Cotchery good reciever ,but hes not going to hurt a defense. (no need to double) I love the Raiders Wr 's but they still are a running team first. Zach miller will be there number 1 reciever. They purposedly didn't throw one pass down the seam to Zach Miller against dallas because they know thats russell bread and butter pass. Work on something else. This will be the first of many probowl seasons for Zach miller. Sorry keller you a pretty good Te in your own right but the other guy simple better.
Joe is like a walking, talking public service announcement as to why letting some mentally handicapped people use a computer is just plain wrong.
Which of these guys is better is a matter of opinion, I won't argue with you whether Miller is better. I will argue that he isn't WAY better. John Elway is way better than Kyle Orton. Its a matter of degree. There's no point in arguing, its all opinion. All of your stats have nothing to do with who's better. We'll just see during the season.
Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one. The facts(Stats) are Zach Miller way better than Dustin Keller. Keep it up and TOm Cable will have something for you too.
I noticed you didn't answer the questions. Try again Mr Bojingles . This is the whole statement. There goes more into playing TE than just speed. 1. can you block, Route running , and Hands. All where Zach Miller is way better than Dustin Keller and its not even close. Question 1. who is the better blocker. Keller or Zach Miller 2. Who runs better pass patterns . Keller or Zach Miller 3 who has the better hands. Keller oR zach miller. Make your case. Your silence is all the prove what I( said was accurate.
First, let's refresh your memory as to what the original argument is: (From original post) Forget all the other variables (age, surrounding talent, bullshit etc); who would you rather have as yer starting TE right now? And who will finish with the better numbers? Answering that, I'd say Dustin Keller, however, I would never say I think he's way better than Miller, just my opinion. You are also entitled to your opinion that Miller is better, and you'd have plenty of people that would agree with you, perhaps more than I'd have. The argument is not who was better last year, it's who you'd rather have right now. I never answered the question about who'd have better numbers because I don't know the answer, and you don't either, unless you have gained the ability to predict the future. I don't definitively answer questions that are impossible to answer with 100% certainty. I just say "I think........", not "I know......." I know with 100% certainty that I'd rather have Keller. Again, that's my opinion. It's like telling me I'm wrong when I say I like strawberry ice cream. Opinions can't be wrong by definition. But to answer your question, I think Miller was a better blocker last year, Keller ran routes better, and I think the hands part is a tie. There is no way to prove any of that with a stat, just my opinion. Total yards and TD's don't prove it, neither do 40 times. If you want to keep answering opinion-oriented questions with stats, please continue. By the way, I really do like strawberry ice cream and that's a scientific fact.
When DHB eat strawberry he only runs a 4.3 40, but when he eats rockey road he runs 4.19 backwards up hills
