Happy with Sanchez, but this is not the way to build a team

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  1. Jets n Boys

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    Except we haven't handed a $100 mil contract yet.

    I also have a great feeling for Sanchez. His completion percentage is awesome. 65+%. If he can be a 60+% in the NFL, we have our improved version of CP. I haven't seen him play but his stats are similar to those of CP.
     
  2. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Are you saying Moss and Owens in that statement? What about Fitzgerald or Boldin or Johnson or maybe even some others I may be forgetting?
     
  3. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Moss and Owens are the best WR's on the Planet.

    Fitzgerald is a close third.(I'd take LJ over TO he's tougher, but TO is a little more talented)

    Johnson may be close to Fitzgerald, Boldin is not in the same category.(hence, he is STILL a Cardinal...)
     
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  4. notjustQBs

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    Please Note Schotty's Use of the Word "Projections"...

    I thought that B-Schott made some illuminating comments in his post-Draft interview. He expressed the view that the NYJs FO and CS were not uncomfortable trading potential projections (not players) for the top guys on the NYJ board.

    In other words, in their eyes, they traded "Maybe's" for "Can't Misses".

    They [the FO and CS] see it as a no-brainer.

    Now, it is not as if they haven't address a lot of position issues after last season this year already.

    Also, they obviously believe they have the wide receiver issue addressed for now -- the challenge is for one or two of these wideouts on the roster to "step up", is the way B-Schott explains it. I would also point out that most wide-outs (like Jerry Rice, for instance) take a while to learn how to adjust the NFL and play their game. We have put these guys through a couple of years now, so they are way ahead of rooks.
     
  5. Jetaho

    Jetaho Well-Known Member

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    I don't have a problem with it.

    Our draft strategy the past few years has greatly reduced the potential for draft busts as evidenced by recent drafts. Spending less money on draft picks, all of whom are potential busts, allows the Jets to aggresively pursue FAs that are proven commodities and fill holes with experienced players. For example, most would agree that it is better to sign Calvin Pace than to draft Jarvis Moss. On the field, the team is far superior to the "draft only" teams of past years, and that is all I need to see.
     
  6. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    I'm done watching the Jets go 4-12 for any reason. We keep doing that although good teams never fall to those depths.

    Teams that have not gone 4-12 or worse in the salary cap era (since 1994):

    Pittsburgh Steelers
    Dallas Cowboys
    Denver Broncos
    Minnesota Vikings
    New England Patriots

    There are 9 Super Bowl champions among the teams represented in this list in the 15 years covered.

    Teams that have done it multiple times, with number of times:


    Cincinnati Bengals (5)
    Cleveland Browns (5)
    Oakland Raiders (5)
    Arizona Cardinals (4)
    Detroit Lions (4)
    New York Jets (4)
    St Louis Rams (4)
    Atlanta Falcons (3)
    Chicago Bears (3)
    New Orleans Saints (3)
    San Diego Chargers (3)
    Carolina Panthers (2)
    Houston Texans (2)
    Indianapolis Colts (2)
    Kansas City Chiefs (2)
    Miami Dolphins (2)
    Tennessee Titans (2)

    There are 2 Super Bowl champions among the teams represnted in this list.

    Face it, we don't do things right as an organization and we rarely have in the history of the franchise. That's why we're near the top of the second list and have not won a Super Bowl in nearly 40 years. We've gone 4-12 twice in the last 4 seasons.
     
  7. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Fitzgerald and Johnson are both way better than Owens at this point in his career. Moss is still a freak of nature - probably the most gifted WR ever.
     
  8. Hobbes3259

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    Code:
           Cat   YDS    AVG  TD   Seas
    TO   951    14,522 14.8 139   13
     
    LJ    426    5,975 14.0  78   5
    
    CJ    126    2,087 16.6  16   2
    
    
    
    Way better? Not quite. On a year to year basis, TO gets in the End zone more often than both.
     
  9. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Who are LJ and CJ?

    I'm saying at this point in all of there careers. T.O. is on a serious decline right now.
     
  10. Hobbes3259

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    LF.

    Typo. Larry and Calvin...


    TO in serious decline ???/ Odd, because he has put up the same stats, as the other two..

    TO > CJ.

    LF More yards.

    TO more points.
     
  11. WhiteShoeWillis

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    My bad, I meant Andre Johnson. T.O. has lost a step and has gone back to dropping a ton of balls like he did real early in his career.
     
  12. Hobbes3259

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    You are aware however, that his overall production has not dropped off...?

    And Calvin Johnson is Close. Andre Johnson is not in TO's league.
     
  13. WhiteShoeWillis

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    OK, I guess we just disagree.

    I'll make you a sig bet that AJ has more yards and TD's than TO this year.
     
  14. firemanedjr

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    I'm in for AJ>CJ.
     
  15. Klecko10

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    I think there are a ton of holes on this team. I am not being pessimistic, just realistic.

    I see huge holes at DE, TE, WR. I think our OL is a house of cards. There isn't one solid backup OL on the team. Faneca and Woody are in their 30s and neither of those guys were great last year. Moore impressed me the most and they were willing to let him go. I think Shaun Ellis is just about done and if god forbid Jenkins gets hurt this DLine is in a lot of trouble.

    I am not even sold on our LBs. Thomas sucks. Pace wasn't that good and betting on Gholston is risky. David Harris seems to get hurt a lot.

    Also, you guys seem to be just assuming that Sanchez is going to step in and play well, just like that. The truth is, he is going to struggle. Young QBs struggle. Matt Ryan and Flacco are anomalies. And let's be honest the Jets aren't that good to carry Sanchez and make it easy for him. It's so funny how the media is saying, "oh he is going to start opening day, and what an upgrade, and playoffs..." His rookie season will be a struggle.

    I hope I am wrong, but you have to be realistic.
     
  16. Attackett

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    Sanchez makes or breaks this draft, if he turns out to be as good as I expect him to this is one of the best drafts in Jets history, regardless of any other pick made.

    There are many ays to build depth on the team now, not just through the draft. The Jets are one o the most active teams in FA and trades. I love that this FO is aggressive and target players they love and go get them, it has worked out every time so far and if it does again this year we will be set for the future at the most important position on the field.

    I wasn't particularly thrilled with the Shonn Greene trade up but after hearing that they had him as the #1 RB in the draft, kudos to them for going up to get him, it would be a shame to lose a player you love for a 4th round pick.

    Just remember the Favre draft, we had him rated as the top player in the entire draft and couldn't trade up to get him, instead we ended up with Nagle and the rest is history. Having alot of draft picks is overrated, everyone is praising the Pats for every year trading back and aquiring more picks yet most of the players drafted have little to no impact on the team.
     
  17. Tony

    Tony Bipedal, Reformed

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    On the contrary, bad players tend to get picked more than good players, so you reduce your chances at nabbing a guy like Leon Washington if you have less picks.

    Just because you target a specific player doesn't mean that player will work out. Remember, they targeted DeWayne Robertson as a player they must have, and he's out of football. Had they kept those two first round picks, the chances of getting a good player double.

    Again, guys, I'm happy with the Sanchez pick. I guess I'm just hoping that over the next couple of years we either trade down or stay put and choose the BPA at whatever position we're picking.
     
  18. plinko

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    Going by your numbers, does math elude you?

    TO averages 10.9 TDs a season.
    LF averages 15.6 TDs a season.

    Last I checked 15.6 > 10.9. BTW your numbers are actually wrong. LF has only 46 TDs, but you are definitely crazy to think TO is better at this point of his career. TO will be going to HoF, there is not doubt about that. But he's not exactly young anymore.
     
  19. Hobbes3259

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    You are correct. 46 (I was copying from 4 minimized browser windows, and picked up the wrong columne...oops!)..

    However...That means T.O. is even > L.F.

    And....Age is not yet a factor.


    Those stats go through last year.

    I was only making a simple point that the 2 best WR's in football play in our division.

    Your argument enforces that point.

    (BTW...If the correct number is 46, how does LF average 15.6 TD's a year? seems (though Math eludes me) like it would be closer to 9.)
     
  20. Hemi

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    And Harris, And Keller....ect.
     

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