Let me first say I am a fan of teams being aggressive, whether it is offense or defense, or even running a team. The move for Sanchez was nothing short of brilliant in my mind, and well worth the second we paid. More on this in a bit, though. However, the move for Greene was totally uncalled for. I understand the Jones situation is looming out there, but they gave up two other players to get him with the trade of the two picks to move up. So we drafted a total of three players, two of which came at a cost of 6 players. This is not how to build a team. Granted, I don't believe this is a team that needs total rebuilding. And I know this was one of the weakest drafts in recent years. Still, there are good players to be found in those later rounds, and you miss out on them if you don't select anyone. In fact, the Jets have been making too much a habit out of trading away their picks. Again, I love the Sanchez move, but we gave up more than most people think. We were thin at DE, now we have nobody. And apart from Catch, who the fuck is going to catch the ball from our shiny new franchise QB? Honestly, I'm not expecting much this season, and next year I expect them to fill in small pieces on the D, and surround Sanchez with some new toys. From here on out, Tannenbaum needs to just draft BPA or even trade down and accumulate some picks.
Think about other Franchises and when they draft a Franchise QB. Are they a good team? No they are usually not. Not every QB steps in and makes a difference with a bunch of talent around him ex. Flacco. Everyone keeps talking about holes... Every team has holes, thats the point of the draft. Most new qb;s get stuck on a bad team and often to terrible because of it ex. Carr. The jets are not a bad team and the defensive talent and the playmakers on offense will get Sanchez the ability to shine.
i didn't mind the quality over quantity approach. it worked out pretty well the year we traded up for revis.
I don't want to underrate a seventh-round pick, but more often than not the players teams draft in the seventh round they could probably have signed as undrafted free agents. It wouldn't be surprising if one of the undrafted free agents the Jets signed is a guy they'd have used that pick on. So, I'm content saying the Jets gave up one meaningful pick to move up for Greene, and if he pans out, great. As has been noted elsewhere, regardless of the "Jones situation," Jones is an old player in running back years. Even if Jones reports and is happy, the team might be very glad they have a player like Greene available this season.
You go for depth when you have worthwhile starters to replace if they get injured. The top 22 guys are the most important on your team. Plus you have to account for Lito Sheppard in this draft. We got 3 guys out of our 2009 draft picks that are going to be major contributors if not this year then next. Not bad.
Yeah, I agree 100% with everything you said. The Jets are really thin at every position besides RB. We do have a lot of young starters that should be able to play for years to come, but we do have a lot of older veterans too that will need to be replaced in the coming years. This will create even more holes if we don't get some quality depth.
I think it was the right approach for this draft, but in general I completely agree. We've done it for a few years now, and we have questionable depth at a few positions. I'd like to see what happens in free agency before I complain, but it could hurt us a few years down the road if we're unsuccessful in identifying cheap veterans who can fit into the system.
If Sanchez and Greene pan out I think the team is in an excellent position to do exactly what you suggest Tony. There aren't many glaring holes in our starters right now (maybe DE and WR). Hopefully Tanny can focus on accumulating picks and building depth starting next season.
plus don't forget we are doing pretty good in the UDA and we were agressive in FA. For this season our OL and DL (given Ryan consideration of Green, DOuglas and DeVito) are ok... and at WR let's give our youngsters a chance. They were all drafted in lower rounds and have been in the system for a while so maybe this year they will show something good. LB is probably the only position where we don't have a lot of replacements, especially if Gholston busts, but I'm confident . Eventually in next year draft, after one full season with the nex system/coaches, you go out and make adjustments...
Didn't we go 4-12 that season? This draft might work out great for us later on down the road but if we suffer any major injuries, especially on the d-line, o-line, LBs, or secondary, we're screwed. Hard. We better find some gems in these UDFAs.
It wouldn't shock me if we end up picking up a receiver sometime before the season starts. After hearing "we are happy with the QBs we have", I'm not so sure I believe "we are happy with the receivers we have". I think the main WR defieciecy is not talent, but size. We don't have a prototypical big WR. Doesn't mean we must have one though, lots of teams don't. Not sure what they do at DE. Ryan says that Douglas will be the starter along with Ellis. Doesn't answer depth though.
That's exactly how I feel. I thought if they were trading up in the first the only way to justify it was for a QB. They got him but it doesn't change the fact that constantly trading up will start to take its toll. They now have had only 13 draft picks from 2007-2009. Consider that we had 10 in 2006 alone. We were lucky last year with few injuries but that won't happen every year and our lack of depth will hurt us. It also doesn't help that we are developing less of our own talent this way and must overpay in free agency to fill needs.
The NFL is not about the future anymore, it is about now. This year, this week, this game. We are building this team just fine. If you look at the FAs that were added last year and this year then you would know we couldn't possibly do any better in the draft.
the players worked out. you can't really blame the teams record on the 3-4 rookies we got that year. and ill gladly trade 4-12 this upcoming season if it means this draft will work out in the long run. the long run in this scenario would involve a perennial contender and at the very least a few deep playoff runs.
The number of draft picks you have doesn't mean anything if they aren't on the team anymore. What's the use of having the 7th round pick we used in the package for Greene when you can get a player equally as good as an undrafted free agent?
i usually agree with you but in this case i couldn't disagree more.... by drafting our new RB who will probably split carries with leon this season 50/50 we will then have a new WR to throw to...let me explain..TJ is clearly disgruntled....the jets draft a guy who is the total opposite of LW which really indicates a rotation...this leaves TJ out of the mix....the jets will probably trade TJ and a future draft pick for a WR....i think the jets can move him for Boldin and the cards can then turn around and trade TJ... i do not see the jets setting up this scenario--- Draft Sanchez, and Greene then get stuck w/ no WR and 3 RB's...one of which is already underutilized... UNLESS they have a plan to complement sanchez w/ a WR and get rid of TJ... that is the only thing that makes sense and it seems the Jets have a plan in doing so... the jets have a plan and i can smell it...they are not going to be a losing team this year..not even close...and i will even say the jets will add a DE before training camp after cap casualities are cut free... the jets are going to be a very competitive team next year no doubt about it
Your Highness, How about u not contradict yourself? On one hand ur saying its a weak draft, and on the other hand, ur saying there were good players in later rounds. Its one way or the other. As for the DE question, it wasn't about Colemen than it was about his price tag. We freed up $4.6 mil in cap space doing so. My thinking is that either Gholston, or BT will move to the DE spot opposite Ellis. Colemen was a goner after the season regardless of the trade. Hated to see Abram Elam leave but I can live with Eric Smith as a full time backup like last yr. U like quantity over quality? cuz u definately don't want to give up 6 players for two. We got Sanchez, better prospect than Josh Freeman. And we got Shonn, rated as the best RB in the draft by the Jets. If thats the case, he came in cheaply. And we got Lito with a pick. If Sanchez and Shonn play as well as expected, we have a draft bringing in 3 solid players, with out putting future draft picks on the line. If u can draft two-three solid players in a draft and they remain a Jet for the rest of their careers, the draft is a success. Over a 10 yr period, u're drafting almost the entire team. Then there's FA. In 08, we got Keller. Gholston pick is still in the air but can pan out. Lowery was a solid 4th rounder and can become good once Lito leaves. Erik is unknown. In 07 we drafted pro bowler Revis, Harris, and Stuckey (7th rounder). Nothing needs to be said. In 06 we got Brick, Mangold, Leon and Brad Smith. Three pro bowlers I think (wasn't Brick and alternate PB?). We have excelled in the previous 3 drafts. This last draft is yet to be seen but seems like we got good return on paper.
As far as DE goes, they signed Douglas and DeVito will be his back-up. They also signed Green from Seattle for DL, a 5th year player who Ryan coached for a bit. Granted Douglas and Ellis are old, but I think it should be fine for this year. As for the draft, I would normally agree. But this was a one of the weakest drafts in recent memory. I don't mind getting value over volume this year. Next year is supposed to be one of the deepest drafts in a decade. Next year is the perfect opportunity for Tanny to trade down, accumulate picks and draft for depth. If he does this next year, I will be pissed.
As much as I like Greene. I must agree that trading up was uncalled for. That is in my perception of what we received in return and what we gave up in return. However, if it is true that Greene was the number 1 rated RB on the Jets board than I have to say that I have enough faith in the FO that they made the right decision. My opinion on missing the opportunity to draft a fourth rounder and a seventh rounder does really carry any weight whatsoever if they had Green with a first round grade. Yes I would have liked more players in this years draft. I think everyone is in agreement with that. However I am forced to look at the players we picked (I dont really have an opinion on our 6th rounder) and I must say I like what I see on the offensive side of the ball. I am not nearly as concerned with the WR situation as most people on this board are. Allow me to explain. I am willing to admit that we are thin at WR - I think anyone who wont admit that is a fool. However I am comfortable where we are, for this season at least, so we can asess what we have on the roster in terms of young WR talent. If Cotch was our only proven weapon I would say there is reason for serious concern, but he is not, Keller showed that he has what it takes to be a real player in this league. With two very real pass catching threats and a RB combination that rivals the best in the entire league, I think our offense is more than adequately prepared to put up impressive numbers this year. Especially considering the fact that we are primed to be the run heavy team that we all expect. Lets hope that our QB, whoever that may be, does not have to consistently throw the ball more than 20 times a games like Big Ben in his first season. I really think that people have lost sight of what sort of promise Keller showed in the second half of last year when he started to come on. With all the talk over Gholston being a massive bust, we somehow, have overlooked that fact that we have an absolute gem of a prospect in Dustin Keller. He seems versatile and athletic enough to line up as a WR in certain packages, ala Antonio Gates. The only problem there is we need another blocking TE, this can be addressed with a UDFA or possibly after July 1st. Look at SD and how they lacked a true number 1 WR for so many years. I am not saying that Keller is Gates, I'm saying that he has the ability in what he has shown, to be a devastating pass catching threat. I believe in Cotchery and I think he is better than what SD used a their number 1 weapon for so many years. The reason I keep talking about SD is because they had a potent offense and they had role players at the WR position. We have a very solid Oline - I am not about to project where they fall top 5, top 10, but I am very confident that we have a strong squad up front. With the addition of Greene, we can pound the rock with fresh legs all game long. I know I am getting off base here so I'll sum up. Yes, we could have used picks for depth. These areas can be addressed after July 1st. Would you prefer a 7th round pick who played DE in college on the depth chart or would you prefer a 7 year vet who got axed in a salary cap cut before training camp? Barring any significant injuries, our defense will be fine. OL could use some experienced backups and I have no doubt they will add those later on. 2 seasons after a 4-12 performace the New York Jets look like a team that is ready to contend for a playoff birth, wildcard or otherwise. Rookie QB, or KC at the helm it does not matter. The QB of this franchise is not going to be winning the games for us this year. As cliche as it is, all they are going to be asked to do is not lose games for us.
