This has nothing to do with Cutler. It has to do with the fact that the Jets may have an opportunity to significantly upgrade the most important position on the field and guys like Rhodes and Woody aren't interested in that happening and then whine about it.
Maybe Kerry should concern himself with his bitch like tackling instead of who he does and doesn't like As far as Cutler not being a top 10 QB, Eli is a top 10 QB/better than Cutler why? Wasn't everyone claiming he sucked just as early as LAST season? So a good 4 game stretch makes him better than Cutler? Really? Did someone mention Aaron Rodgers? Then in the same train of thought mention how Cutler doesn't "win". What has ROdgers "won"? And using Flacco as a positive against any decent QB is skethcy considering how utterly mediocre Flacco is. But I forgot he "won" 2 playoff games (his 39% completion pct had a lot to do with it). Vince Young had a couple of winning seasons. I suppose he's better than Cutler too? This whole W-L business when it comes to QBs is narrow minded.
If Eli had won 4 games in a row at any other time in his career, and you are right, a four game stretch wouldnt make him better than cutler. But you know what? He won THE 4 games, he won his team a superbowl, argue all you want about the defense beat the pats, or that Plax and Tyree made amazing grabs to win them the game. Eli got it done, and he did it in what is easily the biggest super bowl upset in the last 20 superbowls if not since super bowl III. So yeah winning that four game stretch kinda does make him better. He won a game that less than 40 different quarterbacks in NFL history have won. Dan marino is regarded by NFL fans as one of the all time great QBs, a lot of people argue that if he had won just a single superbowl he would have been better than montana, but he didnt. So yeah winning kinda makes a big freaking difference. And you can't win the big one if you cant make the post season. Don't give me the defense was awful! bs. they had a 4 game lead on san diego with four games to go, not only that but it came down to a do or die game with the chargers, and Cutler didnt get it done. so therefore, Cutler isnt good enough in my eyes to warrant top 10 status, and he isnt good enough to warrant the price denver will want for him. Many of year screaming that rhodes and Woody don't want to win are wrong, thats kinda the point. They dont want to play for a headcase who has never won anything, but has decided he deserves to be treated like he is John Elway (my personal choice as the second best QB of all time behind Montana) so Cutler can go fuck himself.
I'd trade Rhodes for Cutler. QB is a far, far more important position than a safety, unless said safety is a game-changer like Ed Reed. The Jets players coming to the defense of Ratliff and Clemenes (LOL) is like Chad Johnson defending Ryan Fitzpatrick last year. Defend him all you want and say you want to play with them, but you're not fooling anybody.
I can understand liking Eli based on his clutch performance but as a QB, as a pure passer, how can anyone rate Eli ahead of Jay? I love ELi, and I AGREE that he got it done. Hell I have always been an advocate of the guy and thought he was better than given credit for. But really some of these people are the SAME people (the ones rating Eli highly or in this instance ahead of Jay) saying that Eli sucked every season before last, and now one season makes him a top 10 QB? Winning definitely makes a difference, but judging QBs solely on W-L is jaded. That's the ONLY argument against Cutler, and that is what I am saying. '17-20' What about his skill? What about his production? They don't count simply because his TEAM hasn't won games? Drew Brees has "won" 1 playoff game in his life Carson Palmer has "won" none Aaron Rodgers has a 38% win pct Joe Flacco has "won" more playoff games than the above combined. Vince Young has a 66% win pct. Kerry Collins "went 13-3" last season. None of the above are any good Why is it that everything is ignored when it comes to judging an individual but team success? That is essentially what I am saying. Cutler, when you look at what he does on the field from a QB standpoint is definitely top 10. His skillset and his production definitely make him top 10, and he still has a lot of room to improve. But yeah I forgot, he's the reason Denver hasn't made the postseason.
What have you done for me lately? That is all that popped through my head as I skimmed your post. Stan - "You kinda suck, but my dad said you might be good someday." Funny episode.
I've always liked Eli Manning Cutler has a strong arm, so what? Like I said...He has shown ZERO leadership ability, he struggles when his team is behind and cant get a comeback victory to save his life, he hasnt shown alot of heart out there on Sundays and he makes A LOT of bad reads. Other than having a strong arm, I dont know whats so great about this guy...If anything.
No, JaMarcus Russell "has a strong arm". Cutler's only good attribute isn't his arm strength. He has good touch on the ball, and is very productive statistically, as well as mobile. "He cant get a comeback win" Then how did he get 5 in his first what 9 (too lazy to check right now) starts? And how did he get 5 last season? How did he lead the league in 4th Q TD passes, and how come his QB rating improved in the 4th Q? "He hasn't shown leadership" Based on what? He doesn't scream and get hyped up? How can you see leadership? "He hasn't shown a lot of heart" I don't even know how to quantify this so I really have no response. If we had a stable WR situation I wouldn't be against giving what it takes for the guy, but I'd honestly prefer we make a run at Braylon Edwards considering he'll make the job easier for whichever of these QBs.
I base heart off of a lot of different variables. You can measure "heart" in a lot of ways, none of which I care to talk about, so.. QB with a ton of heart: Brett Favre QB with a piece of coal for a heart: Jay Cutler
would you like to, for once, post with facts instead of what you normally post with - weak blanket statements that are torn apart with ease.
What I also find funny is that once a player on this team says something even slightly controversial about this team or another player we want them gone as if they kicked a baby and gave it AIDS at the same time. What a sensitive bunch. And forget about his production on the field - let's just get rid of them because off the field they say bad words to the NY media, who, of course, will make it 10 times worse than it actually is. Grow a pair and calm down. I sometimes think that everyone feels as if a bad quote in the media equals to 3 losses in a season.
thats a pretty solid point, I mean Rhodes wasnt even on the fans "trading block" two days ago, then i find this article and half the posters are like "trade rhodes for cutler! he blows!" one guy even said no safety is worth a QB except for guys like ed reed. Hello everybody, 2 years ago everybody said we had found our ed reed. Guess who we have coaching the defense now, instead of the tentative guy with no balls (bob sutton, for those who forgot) The guy who coached Ed Mother F-in Reed! so relax a little damn
oh yeah I remember how in 2007 the collective thought on this board was that Rhodes was our elite Safety and Lynch shouldn't have made the pro bowl over him and he could have Ed Reed numbers and impact next season and he's awesome.... then the bi-polar fan mindset prevails because he had a statistically down year and was 25 yards off the LOS because of a pussy defensive scheme. If Ryan uses Rhodes the way they both have him mind, we might as well copy and paste our old 2007 opinions into new threads praising his play.
I'm guessing you didn't watch very many broncos games except for when they played us. Yes it was all Cutlers fault, perhaps he should be playing defense also. in their 8 losses this year they gave up 33 points a game, damn cutler. And as for your comment about he doesn't come from behind, really? he had 4 come from behind victories last season, and i'm not even counting the chargers game because that was the refs fault. And he plays best in the 4th quarter, 1212 yrd 11 tds 4ints. So all in all, your rant fails. :wink:
On paper that looks good. But we now have a new HC , who is a guru at defense. After this next season it would interesting to hear your views again , I'm sure Rhodes is going to have a monster season +s. Cutler is a good QB , thats it , just good , not great , not a HOFer , nor any other superlatives. He has POTENTIAL to be , but right now hes not doing himself any favours , and as good as he is , potentially. I would be horrified if we broke the bank to get him and/or traded our better players for him. We have 3 QBs already on roster with POTENTIAL , that deserve a shot , we might end up saving a ton of picks and decent players down the road. I'm sick of quick fixes that continually don't work , we have largely young squad , so if after this season its apparent that we do not have our franchise QB , THEN we address it. The D is 'fixed' , don't break it for a whiney little floppy handed girl. (I hate that thing he does with his hand after he lets the ball go , his hand flops)
+1 on that fucking post right there...Plus 1+ Because people do not care about things like that when they are trying to make a case about something. They wont account for the team as a whole when they are trying to bash a qb, but when trying to defend one, all of a sudden it's a team game. it's actually kinda pathetic.
