I think he is still a free agent. Would be a good pickup and would easily be good enough to start alongside Cotchery for a season or 2.
For a proven 25 year old Pro Bowl caliber franchise QB who will be with this team for at least 10 years? Absolutely I would. I wouldn't even think twice about it. The concept that people around here seem to not be able to grasp is that it takes value to get value. Jay Cutler would fill a far greater need than those two first round picks ever could. Do you even realize the seriousness of our current QB situation? We do not have a QB on the current roster that is currently capable of starting on an NFL team. You can talk until you are blue in the face about the potential of Clemens and Ratliff but the fact remains that the burden of proof is on you. The only thing Clemens has shown is that his QB skills are equivalent to that of a retarted gorilla and Ratliff made a couple of good plays against defenders who probably aren't even on NFL rosters anymore. The bottom line is, as an organization in this QB predicament, if we have the opportunity to snag Cutler, we do it. Whatever it takes. But there's a whole thread dedicated to the two sides of the Cutler argument. This thread is about Clemens.
I'm all for Cutler on the Jets but you know what? It's kinda hard to call Cutler a "Proven QB" With a career losing record with zero playoff experience...He's been a starter for two full seasons now and has yet to make the playoffs on a Denver team who has always had one of the best O-Lines around. Yeah Cutler has a STRONG arm, has a nice deep ball and seems to be the perfect size for an NFL QB, the potential is really there, but you know what? He seems to lack the heart that all the great ones such as Elway and Favre showed each and every Sunday. Am I against Cutler? No way, I happen to like the kid but I have alot of question marks surrounding him and I wont lie... Until Kellen has an O-Line and running game (Which we have now) I will always believe in Kellen because he showed alot of promise and potential with a Jets team that had one of the worst O-Lines I've ever seen in 07. If anything...Kellen showed ALOT of heart in 07. Im all for Cutler but I would love to see Kellen with this Jets team next year and who knows... All of this time he's been backing up Chad and Brett...He may just be ready to have a breakout year
You're fighting an uphill battle trying to make a case against the guy for not making the playoffs in his mere two years as a starter while having the 29th ranked defense in the league.
Fine...Then it's unfiar to judge Cutler on a Denver team with one of the worst D's in the league And it's also unfair to judge Kellen on his year in 07 when he was simply thrown into the fire with a Jets team that ALREADY had a losing record with no running game what so ever with one of the worst O-Lines in the league with Will freaking Montgomery as our starting LG and Anthony Clement as his starting RT... Ferguson and Mangold were both only 2nd year players. (Our D was pretty Horrid as well that year) So...If we cant judge Cutler on his career losing record with zero playoff appearances because of a horrid Denver Defense...Well then it's unfiar to Judge Kellen from that 07 year because I can bet my bottom dollar that those Denver D's were better than that Jets Offense because...WE HAD NONE, and it wasnt Kellens fault.
I don't judge Clemens from his 07' starts nearly as much as I judge him from his training camp performances. I ask again - if he was as good as everyone seems to think he is, don't you think he would have shown something - ANYTHING - while working with the first team in the 3 training camps he participated in? It is common knowledge that he actually got worse from the 07 to the 08 TC. I frequent the workouts and this kid's accuracy is scary bad -- especially on the intermediate-to-long ball. But don't just take my word for it. After all, it's the coaching staff that ultimately banishes him to wearing a hat and holding a clipboard on Sundays. Good players create their own opportunities and capitalize of the ones they recieve. Has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, there's a REASON why Clemens has never gotten a "second" chance?
I noticed that as well. It is common for the 3rd year to be the breakout year for a player (LW, Brick, Mangold). Clemens seemed to regress and didn't show me that he is getting better while learning from Pennington and Favre. Meanwhile the Fins have announced that Henne is the starter when Chad leaves because they are in love with the kid. I would have liked to have heard the same thing in Kellen's 3rd year with the team, but it seems that he continues to look like he's hit a ceiling in TC and preseason reps. how does this kid have 2 years on Ratliff and yet Ratliff looked better in preseason last year? That's something that tipped me off as well. Something like that shouldn't happen. They played against the same level of competition.
We have yet to see Kellen QB for the Jets since the day we signed Favre, so what gives you the right to say that Kellen hasnt learned anything behind Favre when you havnt even seen the kid play since the Favre trade? I can bet my bottom dollar that Kellen was asking Favre a million questions last year, trying to prepare himself for the future. As far as Henne and the Dolphins...Who cares what the Miami FO thinks of the kid, he hasnt proved anything on Sundays and for all we know...He could be the next Ryan Leaf as far as production goes. If anything...Rex Ryan has already said that he likes what he's seen in Kellen and feels the kid only needs a chance...That has to mean something right?
i can only go on what I've seen, not what I imagine. Fan imagination is a dangerous thing - it dilutes what is really going on. Kellen may have gotten better and is ready to go, but as of today Clemens has a lot to prove to me personally that he is ready to lead a football team in the largest sport market in the country. Its fascinating that you easily dismiss the Fins FO's praise of their young QB yet because Ryan said he "likes" Clemens he only needs a chance and that holds its weight in gold.... interesting.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Why do you dismiss the Dolphins opinion of their young QB but the Jets opinion on their young guys is from their lips to Gods ear? Our three knuckleheads have proven even less than Henne. Why the double standard?
I would love for Miami to start Henne next year over Chad Pennington, a QB who turned that team around. I would LOVE to see a 1st year starter take his lumps as a starting QB. Can Henne be a good QB? Yes he can...Will he? Who knows. I just think the 2007 disaster has only made Kellen a stronger QB and I EXPECT this kid to have a SOLID year next year with the team we have If Miami has an open competion with Penningron and Henne and...Chad walks away as the starter...Does that mean that Chad is the better QB? Does that mean that Henne has no future in the leauge? No... All it means that Henne is in a tough situation because he's a backup to a career starter and veteran leader in Chad Pennington in the same ways that Kellen has been backing up Chad and Favre.
the Fins have stated Henne is not starting in 09. The team is still Chads, who is in his last year with Miami. history has shown that disasters like 07 can hinder a QBs progress instead of making them stronger. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger does not apply with QBs. If that was the case, David Carr would be godlike at QB by now.
Did Henne even play except for mopping up Week 2 at Arizona? What has he proven in the pros? Clemens at least played half a season. So far all we know about both is that neither can beat out Chad Pennington in camp, that's about it.
While I agree with you wholeheartedly, there are some Jets fans that just need to be negative when it comes to Clemens. They know the truth and they also know that PENNINGTON was benched behind that same OL. When Kellen took over his receivers were hurt and they hurt him by dropping many passes. All these know-it-alls should apply to become an NFL GM as they sure talk like they know what they are talking about!
Reports had him starting off very poorly but closing the gap before Fahvra was brought in. Who knows what the actual preseason games would have brought if the trade never happened.
when the 3 qbs talked today on nfl network the question was asked to kellen media: with you under center are the jets a playoff contender? kellen: with me under center i believe we are a playoff contender. media: (silence) kellen: yea i said it
