Is there a way we could get Vinnie off the couch for one more season. I cant beleive I'm saying this.
If Schotty is respected within the organization and he was yelling about not having an NFL caliber QB don't you think they'd listen? I have to assume that the guy who they're trusting to run the offense is respected by the people running the organization. Sure he's not calling the shots but if he were truly worried that the offense would fail he would make sure the people who were calling the shots knew about it. I understand that defense is Ryans focus. I get that. He's always stressing that his coordinators don't work for him, they work with him. If a guy he talked into staying on board tells him we need a damn QB, I have to think he'd listen. You don't just make it an organizational strategy to not care about the most important position on the field. I actually think that sounds ridiculous. I'm not trying to be a dick, it honestly sounds ridiculous to me. You're right that no one knows for sure, and I could be flat wrong, but I have to conclude that Schotty is at least comfortable with the QB's on the roster at this point. If the offense fails with the current crop of QB's Schotty most likely won't get a HC job regardless of whether or not people think it was his fault or the QB's.
It sounds kinda crazy to me too, but then again maybe they just don't feel like there are any answers that they want to pull the trigger on this year with it. Sometimes you can only fill so many holes and the priorities have to be reshuffled. Even at a position like QB, no matter how important. The thing that gets me is that I don't see where the confidence in who we have right now is coming from... Clemens has done nothing and shown very little in comparison to other QB's we've had. My thoughts are that they think this defense has a chance to be very, very good, and they are going to put their eggs in that basket. Ramp it up, and trust that Clemens, or eventually Ratliffe can hold the offense together enough that it doesn't kill them. With a top notch defense we don't need a great QB. We're going to see soon enough though. I hope it is just me making a bigger deal out of it than it is... odds are I am, but I don't necessarily believe everything they say in front of a microphone about this team. They are always going to be more positive at this time of year than critical - out loud.
we should sign Garcia, if no one shows interest we get him for cheap, and he can be a solid back up in case shit hits the fan, and if we get him soon he'll have time to learn our system and teach our young guys a thing or two, through his own personal experience. It will also help us find any problems in the offense if everything does completely go wrong. Given the QB's play decent. It wouldn't be a bad idea if we can get him cheap.
In my mind that means he beat him out. He had waht we needed and Chad didn't. If you were a pimp and had a flat chested broad that got the job done, but had a big tittied broad that could rake in more customers (which as a pimp is more important) than what would you do? The Jets needed to stretch the field to get as many W's as possible. Clemens was the guy that could do that.
we've been through this in another thread... and i trounced your argument completely. i'm not doing it again. you said Houston once again, educate yourself.
i said this in the "Jets to work out Josh Freeman" thread. but its completely relevant here so here goes im pulling for one of the three currently on our roster. specifically clemens, i even liked him coming out of Orgeon, im ready to see what we actually have. no matter if Clemens, Ratliff, Ainge. but as stated I think Clemens needs a fair shot. worst case scenario we build on what we have now and the qb class next year will definitely be at least just as good if not better. furthermore itll prove if schottenheimer jr is worth keeping. this year, hes on qb 3 as a OC and Clemens is the perfect candidate to see what kind of decision this organization actually made not just in drafting clemens, but in keeping schottenheimer under a new regime. hes definitely had the time in the system, and he never had the true opportunity to prove anything other than 2 of the OL he played behind in 7 starts are no longer in the league.
Why should he be the guy? We owe him nothing and he's done nothing for us. Yes, he looked good in the pocket being pass rushed by 3rd stringers. Yes he hit clowney with 2 long bombs. Again, against scrubs. This is clemens last year of his contract and if it's between him and ratliff he deserves a shot behind a good oline and running game. If he sucks then we do not resign him and we move on. If he turns out to be a diamond in the rough then we didn't waste a 2nd round pick and him sitting was beneficial.
You mean the ONE time he actually had that time to sit in the pocket to long? He got sacked because our OL couldn't hold anyone up, wasn't his fault. I'm surprised KC had any productin behind that OL at all.
And let's not forget coles was injured for most of clemens starts. So factor that in with the horrible o line and mccareins dropping balls left and right.
The excuses for Clemens is ridiculous Maybe the line wasn't up to snuff, but that is no excuse for how bad he was These are NFL players The top of the crust
Football is a team sport. Tom brady isn't tom brady without that NE O-line and the coaching that backs it up. Great quarterbacks aren't always the john elway carry everyone on their shoulders type, that shine even on bad teams, especially when important assumptions like having the time to go through your reads are taken away from you. Clemens deserves the opportunity to be judged in a situation where he's the major question-mark, not just one of many, I watched all the games he started, and he was never the number one thing on my list of what was wrong at the time.
Hey, is that kinda like when some poor bastard says, 'Money isn't everything'? How come only poor people say that sh*t? For real?
The Vinny of 98 was a game manager. Parcells and Weis convinced him to throw to his backs more as opposed to chucking it downfield all the time.
I believe Keyshawn and Chrebet were either in the 80 reception range or more for that year Over 160 receptions for your starting receivers is not game management
So a shitty o-line consisting of two guys who couldn't even find a job as a backup anywhere else in the league the following year isn't an excuse for a QB getting his first NFL experience? That's dumb. I thought he looked like shit but showed some flashes and he still deserves a shot behind a real o-line.
Those are excuses And weak ones at that The guy does not have the talent to be competitive at this level
What are you basing your theory on? Because if it's the 2007 season...where Clemens was playing behind a piece of swiss cheese of an o-line...then you're off your rocker. Nobody would've been successful playing behind that. That's a shitty assumption you're making.
You sound like a fool. Pennington looked like shit behind the same o-line. I'm not a Penny fan because of his limitations but he has been competitive in the NFL when healthy. No QB can succeed without a supporting cast, especially when they're being pummeled 2 seconds after getting the ball on a regular basis.
