Height is the most misconstrued aspect of a RB. With the exception of Brandon Jacobs (who is just an absolute beast), most backs are under 6'0. Barry Sanders - 5'8 203....sound familiar? Also, Jones-Drew is 5'6!
Yes. No one fears them. I totally disagree with the OP, including the premise that most successful teams do not have quality wide receivers. By quality I do not mean they need have one of the top five receivers in the league on their rosters, but they do need to have receivers that can get separation, run good routes and have good hands. Right now the only proven wideout on the Jets is Cotchery. More than that the Jets need a deep threat, and while Clowney has good speed he's a totally unproven factor. A deep threat can open up the running game. There are a number of other things wrong with the OP, but I frankly will be quite surprised of the team goes into opening day with only the current wideouts on the roster.
Thanks. Sanders was an ever better comparison. This is exactly why I don't understand all these people saying Washington can't be an every down back. I'd give him a shot and see what he can do. It's not like he's had his chance and proven fragile.
im just wondering what evryone on this thread does feel is an important position on offense?? so far WR and HB basically dont mean anything.. i dont understand how you say that.. there is a huge difference between a solid reciever, not an allstar, but a solid reciever.. and the recievers we have... aside from cotchery.. not looking forward to our options at wideout.. and i dont think washington is a 20-25 carry a game back at all.. TJ would come in .. wear down the defense.. and then leon would just run past everyone.. our defense is solid.. and as of right now.. thats all the Jets have right now is a good defensive team.. we wont survive in our division if some major changes dont happen.. not necessarily bring new guys in .. but clemens or ratliff have to step up and be ready to play QB.. and we need to come out of this draft with solid WR..
I starting to think this as well. Its the reason I think we will not go with a QB as well. We establish one side of team strongly this year (defense) and next year with this established defense we can grab a QB I dont mind going 6-10 this year though Id much rather have a winning season. Grab a WR this year so he has a year to adjust to the NFL then next year if none of our QB's pan out we grab our new franchise QB.
HAVE YOU SEEN BARRY SANDERS??.. he wasnt a small back.. he was short.. but stacked... his thighs were the size of Washington's chest.. dont comparebarry sanders to leon washington becuz they are both short and are runningbacks...
i actually really agree with everything you said.. but if we do lose 10 games.. i hope they are really close like 12-7 games or 7-3 games.. were we can at least be excited about our defense..
We need a WR, let's not be ridiculous. Actually we need at least 2 WRs. A veteran and one out of the draft. Every year on this board there's another excuse not to draft a skill position player. Either the O-line sucks, or we have a veteran at the position already, or said player won't contribute as a rookie. So on and so forth. I'd like to see us go for a WR within the first 2 rounds. We haven't drafted a WR on the first day of the draft since 2001, it's no wonder our passing game tends to be mediocre. Also, we don't have a second 4th rounder. We gave ours to the Saints in the Vilma deal (getting back a 3rd from them) and we got one from the Kendall deal. http://www.newyorkjets.com/blog/posts/961-where-the-jets-draft-picks-are-located
Pretty sure we can forget any high comp picks as well. We didnt loose anyone big in FA last year that I recall.
This offense scares no one. We need to make something happen on offense There is not one defensive coordinator in the league that's going to miss any sleep game planning for us
I completely agree with this post. We need TWO wr's, and any pick below a second likely would not be able to contribute this year.
Any pick will not contribute greatly this year. Rookie wideouts at best most often have so-so years. IT takes up to three for them to full hit thier stride in the league. Nicks, outside of crabtree, is probly the most polished route runner of this bunch and the most ready to go. Robiskie also has good hands and runs good routes, his celling may not be as high but he will compete faster then a lot of the top end guys in this draft.
maybe stuckey and clowney will surprise us.stuckey was a highly rated w.r. in that draft .but many teams stayed away from him because he was badly injured.if he was wel,he might have gone in the second or third round. clowney on the other hand .has the straight line speed.but he was never tutored on route running and blocking.he always had the potential to be great.the jets historicly have never drafted a receiver in the first round.
Look at... Patriots sans Randy Moss. Brady had no problem scoring with the likes of David Givens and Deion Branch - none of whom you'd call #1 or #2 caliber receiver. Even during the offensive explosion year of 18-1, Pats only had one #1 in Moss - then it was all Welker from the slot, and Stallworth/Gaffney and whoever they chose to use for the little contribution. So what's the big deal, if the WR cannot get a separation from the straight speed? Like in one occasion where Cotchery completely fooled three defenders into the end zone *he faked the stop-and-go so flawlessly that three defenders around them all bit very hard.* you can devise a scheme, a plan or plays to maximize the potential. Now... my point is that, there are positions where you can scheme around to disguise the "physical" weakness, whereas it is just not possible in some positions. Which are those positions? Obviously, OL and DL. Blocking schemes do play some roles, but you just cannot replace the physical presence of the massive defensive linemen. We all saw how Dslob was getting pancaked all game when the opposing teams wanted to run right at him. I still see some weakness in both OL and DL - with strong OL performance, both running and passing game performs better. It doesn't work the other way. It's always OL then the offensive plays. Look at last year's patriots performance, especially Cassel. Imagine Cassel behind 2007 Jet OL. Do you honestly think he could do as well? Pats OL, while undersized, are one of the premier units when it comes to pass blocking - even when they are outnumbered. Cassel could find the receiver and throw the pass with relative comfort because of it. Same goes for DL. If the Defensive linemen in 3-4 does not command double team, do you know what happens? The free OL - usually guard - moves up and engages the ILBs, neutralizing the effectiveness of the scheme. Now that Jenkins is drawing double team from one side - which was why Ellis was usually 1 on 1 from the left - there is still another free lineman that you must account for. Coleman, while serviceable, does NOT command that double team. To me, since he doesn't even get to the QB either, he's a liability in this defense. Since he's also getting up there in age, he needs to be replaced too. That's where I stand. I see a double-team drawing DE as the most critical need coming into the draft. then OL, then the backup for NT. On top of that, I would tend to think that Jets have an interesting crop of WR prospects on their team. All have their own strengths and weaknesses, but all possesses a good amount of potential. If you are that skeptical of their potential to the point where you are considering to draft one early in the draft, why bother keeping all of them on the roster? Does that make any sense to any of you? It doesn't make any sense to me, to say the very least.
they are largely unproven to us. the organization has seen them practice for a long time. we have already heard reports that leftover staff from mangini couldn't believe he didn't get clowney more of a chance last season. just because we the fans don't know what players are capable of it doesn't mean that they are unknown commodities.
Lol, leon is no emmit smith. Let's not forget when smith played he had the biggest o line in the league blocking for him, back when 320 o line men were concidered monsterous.
That's your problem and most others who think leon can be an every down back. You look at height alone and try to compare him to players who have more mass, muscle and so forth. Leon is a small guy and with the offense we will be running he can not be an every down back. Can he survive 15-20 touches a game for 16 games? Perhaps. Are we going to run the ball a lot more than that? Bet on it.
I agree 100% with the original poster NYJATW. I tried to express the same thoughts before on how the WR is over-rated in this post... http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=1170305&postcount=1 Also, to the guy that wrote this.... What about the 2006 season when Leon WAS our every down back and we went 10-6 with a terrible O-Line that could not run block to dave it's life. He started all 16 games and didn't get injured once to my recollection. I would love to see what Leon can do as a #1 back with the O-Line we have now. I'm not saying I want him to be our lone back I'm just saying that I think he "could" do it and has proven it already.
