QB dept. : " Believe it: Jets comfortable with green cast of quarterbacks " ~ ~ ~

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  1. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    The goal is not the AFC Finals. No invitation to the White House for that.
     
  2. Big Blocker

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    Completely agree, although I would feel far better with another quality wideout on the roster.

    When Ryan talked with Schott, don't we think they covered what the Jets have on the roster at Qb? Schott is staying, with the hope of getting an HC job next year, no doubt. Both these guys seem prepared to proceed with the current players.

    Now of course they may still make a move, as the Jets did last year when Favre was available. But so far they have done nothing to indicate that they are prepared to look beyond the current roster.

    Even if they go Qb in the draft it would not mean that they would do so as anything other than a medium term move, not necessarily to have a rookie start on Opening Day. That wasn't even the Ravens' intention when they picked Flacco.

    I agree with your post.
     
  3. JetsFanInVB

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    So if we got to the SB and lost the season would be a failure? No WH invitation for that, either.
     
  4. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    My goal during the football season is to not fall asleep while watching the Jets. Rex Ryan's goal is to mee the President more than once. For me if the games are exciting the seasons a success. For Ryan it's the White House or bust.
     
  5. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The Jets basically have any number of ways to go here with the QB issue and the direction they take will probably the shape of the team's success or failure over the next half decade or so.

    In order of ways that this could be resolved with highest potential value on top and then descending from there:

    1. They could identify a franchise QB in this draft and get him to define the Jet's window of success. This would be the route the Giants took with Eli Manning and the Steelers with Ben Roethlisberger. The Jets are handicapped by not having a particularly high pick in the draft and not having a trio of great prospects out there to pick from.

    2. They could go with the three guys they have and develop one of them into a good QB. This is the method the Cowboys used to find Tony Romo. Not as high upside as a franchise QB pick but you can still find your guy this way.

    3. They could sign an established veteran let go elsewhere and not worry about the QB position for two or three years as they try to put everything else together. This might improve the Jet's chances in the short run but would leave them facing the exact same question they have now just a few years down the road.

    The first option is probably not feasible this year because the Jets just don't have the ammo to make it happen. Sanchez might fall to 17 and give the Jets a real choice in the matter but that's an unlikely prospect.

    The second option either finds the Jets a QB or leaves them in much better position to try option 1 in 2010. It's by far the best likely option for the Jets at this point because it involves mining their own resources with no interference from other teams and it involves the lowest outlay of new value spent on the problem.

    The third option leaves us right where we are now at the beginning of 2010 or maybe 2011 at the latest. And the young guys we have now are going to be worth a lot less to the team then after they have sat and rotted on the bench for another season deprived of needed playing experience.

    I think we're looking at number two and I'm fine with that. I'd have been fine with that last year too. The window for Clemens is closing though and the Jets need to look at him hard before somebody else makes that choice for them in free agency.
     
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  6. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    The Jets need to find out what they have. Clemens and Ratliff both have some talent, no denying that.

    And for those saying that starting one of them guarantees a cellar spot, just think about how poorly Favre played for most of last season. Even the early season, he wasn't that great, we just figured he would play better down the stretch once he knew the offense.
     
  7. jetsleader

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    Quick name the QB and top WR on the Ravens Super Bowl Championship team.
    Now name the QB and top WR on the Bucs Super Bowl Championship team.

    If a GREAT defense is in place, it compensates for holes in the offense. The key is conservative play with a solid running game and few mistakes at the QB position. Ryan is smart enough to know not to ask too much of a new QB - don't put them in a position to fail (ala the Ravens in 2008.)

    I'm not saying it's an ideal situation, but realistically there are worse holes to have on a team. Like a poor head coach, for starters.
     
  8. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    They had a big move the chains back in Lews and Priest Holmes was a very good back up that year and they also had a HOF TE who was their big play guy.
     
  9. Br4d

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    And the Jets could build from now until doomsday and the odds on them putting together a defense as good as that one are minute. All it would have taken for that team to go 9-7 was a knee for Ray Lewis in 1999 or camp in 2000.
     
  10. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    I wonder, the anti-Ratliff crowd consistently points to the fact "what have we seen out of him other than a few preseason games to know he is any good?"

    Well, I have to ask, other than his 72 rating in Madden, how do you know he sucks?
     
  11. Long Time Jet Fan

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    Crap, he's only 72 in Madden? I take back all the positive things I've ever said about him. :sad:
     
  12. ibleedgreen7476

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    Idk man, Trent Dilfer , Brad Johnson have rings, look at big bens first superbowl he was terrible and they won. Dan Marino has no rings and he was an amazing QB, even look at the patriots first superbowl with tom brady he came out of no where and won a superbowl, football is a team sport, to say everything else thats been done is worthless because of a green QB, idk we won 9 games last year im pretty sure ratliff or clemens cant do much worse than 22 picks. I think the AFC east is going to be hard this year but I also think only having one road trip to the west coast is going to make a huge difference. I think we win 10-11 games this year. The Jets only have to play 4 really good offenses next year ( the colts, the pats, the saints, and the panthers) those will be the hardest games, other than that we should have a great defense, above average special teams, even if we have a very weak offense I think that carries us to 10 wins at least.
     
  13. tom spicer

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    The Jets have fixed the D in free agency & they will work on the O in the draft.
     
  14. BK_Jetsfan

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    Agreed. Neither kid has really had a shot for anyone to judge. I'm hopeful that one or both will be excellent, and will try not to judge until I see them in real game time situations with an actual offensive line.
     
  15. Long Time Jet Fan

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    I have seen several reports that say the Jets like Ratliff better than Clemens, but that they are not sure he's quite ready.
     
  16. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I thought you didn't believe anything the Jets said?
     
  17. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    Yeah, that really put a damper in my enthusiasm as well. :lol:
     
  18. Long Time Jet Fan

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    Stop trolling and if you're going to troll at least try to comprehend the discussion.

    I was responding to this post. I never said they believe he was better, just that the Jets said it.

    And I don't believe anything the Jets management says, but I am starting to believe Ryan because he seems much more genuine than Woody. And the fact that I believe Ratliff is better than Clemens, makes me beleive the Jets just might believe it as well.
     
  19. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I'm not trolling anything, I'm simply pointing out that you use quotes from the FO when they're convenient for your point of view but dismiss them completely when they do not. That's a pretty slanted way to look at things.
     

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